Tired of Unreliable Jebaos -- Looking to Trade up to Tunzes

[Buzz1329]

Really tired of Jebaos. WP series of pumps seemed to work OK and generally lasted up to 2 years.But my experience with RW series of powerheads and Jebao DC pumps has been dreadful. I’m looking for powerheads that can move a lot of water in my 180 and not require daily/hourly checks to see if they are still working.

So I’m looking at this package:

2 x Tunze 6155 Stream Pumps (Previous Model) and FREE 7092 Controller Kit for $725 at Premium Aquatics

Pumps have flow rate from 1,050 to 3,950 gph.

The Wavecontroller 7092 can synchronously or reciprocally control the two Turbelle pumps, including wave simulation by setting the two pump outputs to maximum and minimum values as well as the pulse time.

http://premiumaquatics.com/products...ler-kit.html?gclid=COO3rL7khMoCFcEUHwod7KwCzw

Based on what I've read here and my own experience with Tunze osmolator pumps and a Tunze wavemaker box, it seems that Tunze powerheads are the the most reliable available.

I’d appreciate comments/recommendations re this package or alternatives I should consider. I am not inclined to go with Maxspect gyre pumps based on problems that have been reported on this site. I am even less interested in Jebao knock-off gyre pumps because I have lost all confidence in reliability of any Jebao pump.

Thanks,

Mike

 

[Buzz1329]

Wait a minute, looks like better deal is Tunze Multicontroller 7095 @ $285 plus 2 x new model Tunze Turbelle Stream 6125 Pumps (max flow rate of 3,170 gph) @ $195 each for total of $695 at Marine Depot.

The 7095 controller can control 4 Turbelle pumps (unlike the 792 which can control only 2 pumps) so I can then add 2 additional 6125 pumps after current crop of 2 x rear wall Jebao WP 40s inevitably die at worst possible moment.

Oh yeah.

 

[iphone]

have you looked into a few mp40's?

 

[Ebone]

+1 on vortech..... +10000000000000 on your jebao experience i felt the same had a rw only last 3 weeks.... went vortech will never look back....

 

[mpsteve]

Get some mp40's or mp60's

 

[gcarroll]

I'm a big fan of the Tunze 6095 nano streams. They even come with controllers. At 2500 gph, you get a lot of flow from that small form factor, which makes them easier on the eyes.

The 6125 is not a controllable pump so you can't use them on a controller.

 

[gcarroll]

If you have an Apex this is also an option. Hard to beat that price!
http://www.marinedepot.com/Neptune_...ries-Neptune_Systems-NS98870-FITEMOAC-vi.html

 

[Ligershark]

I'm a big fan of the Tunze 6095 nano streams. They even come with controllers. At 2500 gph, you get a lot of flow from that small form factor, which makes them easier on the eyes.

The 6125 is not a controllable pump so you can't use them on a controller.

not to hijack the thread, what size tank and what location in the tank do you have the tunze 6095? I am looking to add one for some "chaos" on the opposite side of my tank.


To the OP.. I have a 130 gyre on my 40 gallon and have found that coralvue is a hassle when having an issue. Some people say its as easy as opening a ticket but that is not necessarily the case and best of luck getting a phone number to call them at or getting them to call you when you provide a phone number.

However I do like the actual gyre itself, just wish there were other support options in the US.

Ecotech and Tunze support are top notch when I have dealt with them. If the mp10 magnets fit my 1/2" glass on my custom 40 gallon I would have two of them instead of the gyre.

 

[mpsteve]

I still use my 6025 nano streams. To mix salt. Once I got my vortechs there is no looking back

 

[Buzz1329]

Thanks all.

Had an MP40 in my 75 starting in 3/12. Loved it. Corals loved it. After 2.5 years it started to rattle. From then on, it was in and out of service with Eco-Tech. Great repair service -- never charged me a dime. But after a few months/weeks of service, the pump would deteriorate again until I finally gave it away.

I think I would need 2 x WP60s for my 180. WP60 costs $675.00 so $1,350 for two.

Comparable to final cost for 4 pump Tunze system.

But, are Vortech pumps as reliable as Tunze turbelle pumps?

Hate to start age-old debate, but what the hell.

All seriousness aside, and I am not suggesting that my particular problems with a particular MP40 (which could have been caused by a whole lot of factors unrelated to quality of pump) was symptomatic of a generic problem with the pump, but has Eco Tech taken any steps to improve reliability of their pumps since 3/12?

Thanks,

Mike

 

[Buzz1329]

I'm a big fan of the Tunze 6095 nano streams. They even come with controllers. At 2500 gph, you get a lot of flow from that small form factor, which makes them easier on the eyes.

The 6125 is not a controllable pump so you can't use them on a controller.

You are absolutely right! 6125 is not controllable. Thanks for pointing that out. Back to drawing board.

Mike

 

[Psionicdragon]

Tunzes are very reliable. I still have the old style ones from a decade ago and runs without any issues.

Vortechs are great too, but what I hated was the nose and some random issues here and there.

Jebao are good cheap replacible alternative, but I got tired of it breaking down every 3 months or so.

Maxspect Gyre so far does move a lot of water but nots ure how reliable they are yet since they have only been installed for a month.

If I were going to go with Tunzes again, I would do 4 6105 on a controller. Great flow pattern and hits everywhere.

 

[Buzz1329]

Based on your feedback, I'm now leaning toward Vortech. Which do you think is more efficient for a heavily stocked (with SPS, LPS, and fish) 180 DTL:

4 x MP40 -- 4,500+ GPH @ $350 each = $1,400 (total of 18,000 gph)

2 x MP60 -- 7,500+ GPH @ $675each = $1,350 (total of 15,000 gph)

Thanks,

Mike

 

[slief]

I have been using Tunze's for several years and beat the living hell out of them. I have two 6205's and one 6105 in my main display and a pair of 6095's in my fuge. They never skip a beat. I abuse them and don't clean them for years at a time. I just cleaned mine after 3 yeas of neglect. They had so much coraline growth on them that they were unrecognizeable yet the still produced great flow. You will not find a better pump. Even the Vortechs won't take the abuse and neglect that the Tunze's do. If you have an Apex, you can do wonders with your flow using the Apex to control them too. Vortechs are terrific pumps but like I said, the Tunze's are the most reliable pump out there and you have the additional benifit of being able to aim them where you need the flow most as opposed to the Vortech's that can't be aimed.

Try letting Vortechs or Jebaos get this bad and see if they still work..
These are coverd in coraline inside and out. They never skipped a beat and they still had rediculous flow.

They had to be soaked just to be able to take them apart because there were spots of coraline that was rediculously thick over the seams.

 

[moondoggy4]

2 6105 for sale new no controller



http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2545595 here

 

[indyjaco]

For the 180 I'd say get a pair of 6105s or MP40QD. The new tunze pumps come with a controller.

 

[gus6464]

The sicce xstream e is on sale for 150 right now and will be apex controlled soon. It's quite tiny too.

 

[Buzz1329]

Thanks slief:

Yowsa! That exactly the type of reliability I'm looking for.

So if you were going to set up a stand-alone Tunze circulation system for a heavily stocked 180, what pumps and controller would you recommend? (IOW, with no Apex type controller to manage things.)



Much appreciated,

Mike

 

[CuzzA]

I'm with Slief. Everyone raves about Vortechs, and they do push a lot of water, but they're not indestructible and they're loud. Not to mention you are limited to where you can position them. Low profile in the tank, but you can't angle them, so you're stuck putting them on the side of your tank if you want your flow to be parallel with the length. Now you have an unsightly motor on the outside. Which is an eye sore IMO.

If and when my 2 year old Jebao's quit on me I'll either buy another set or more likley buy Tunzes.

 

[slief]

Thanks slief:

Yowsa! That exactly the type of reliability I'm looking for.

So if you were going to set up a stand-alone Tunze circulation system for a heavily stocked 180, what pumps and controller would you recommend? (IOW, with no Apex type controller to manage things.)



Much appreciated,

Mike

In a 180, I'd go with two 6105's or two 6155's. I run two 6205's and one 6105 in a 4'x8'x2' 480G display and it's plenty of flow. They are terrific pumps that put out a lot of flow. They have the newer pumps like the 6155's that have the built in controller or you could pair the 6105 pumps up with something like the 7096 controller. That said, if I had a choice, I'd probably lean towards a pair of 6155's but any of them are great pumps so your budget is obviously a factor. The other thing that's a factor is the display dimensions and your rock layout. 3 6095's on the back wall facing the fron't glass would be an interesting idea as well. A fast pulse that bounces of the front glass could create some really nice turbulence. IN my tank, all 3 pumps face the same direction and blast down the 8' length of the tank. When the surge hits the far end of the tank, it springs back towards the pump in the off cycle and it gives me a terrific back and forth surge that makes my corals dance. On that thought, two 6105's or two 6155's on one end of the tank (1 up higher and one down lower) shooting across the length of the tank would make for a real nice back and forth surge effect with them synced together and the right on/off frequency. Or you could have them on appoint sides and have one off while the other is on.