To Vortech owners....

i had a couple koralias

my 2 MP10's are so far out of the koralias league its not even funny. i had the koralias hooked up to my wave timer even

my tank loves my vortechs

well worth it in my opinion. i have 2 times the $$$ in coral in my tank as my 2 wireless vortechs, most people have thousands worth in coral and fish... think about that for a second, that alone makes it worth it to me... and aren't the tunze controllable pumps like $200+? then if you want to sync them you need a controller? not much price difference really...

dont get me wrong, i love tunze. but for flow, vortech is great imo. thats all vortech makes, powerheads, nothing else... they put all their R&D and money into developing powerheads... think about it
 
Hi reefers,,,,

Nothing new here...

It´s really difficult to me found the sweet spot between happy euphyllias at the bottom and good flow to acroporas....

I´m still in ecosmart mode but i´ll try short pulse now...maybe a little wave could solve my problems....:-)

let´s see....

Hails from Brazil

D.
 
Ive got 2 mp10's in my 50g, (44"x14"x18") and I only really need them running from 30-60% power. They do the job really well, and the multiple modes really help to eliminate deadspots. There are a few nooks and cranies in my reef that were fairly stagnant until I put the mp10's in. Now I can actually see water moving in and out of them. Its worth the price, and personally I love having them, but they are not absolutely necessary.
 
Hi reefers,,,,

Nothing new here...

It´s really difficult to me found the sweet spot between happy euphyllias at the bottom and good flow to acroporas....

I´m still in ecosmart mode but i´ll try short pulse now...maybe a little wave could solve my problems....:-)

let´s see....

Hails from Brazil

D.

Maybe try reefcrest mode, that seems to be most popular, and what I run myself.
Vort placement is important as well, I also have a mixed reef, mine are fairly high up for heavier flow towards sps.
 
I just set up three MP60W's on my 150 gallon tank, and considering everything that has already been mentioned in this thread (with emphasis on AMAZING customer service) they have been well worth the investment.

PROS:
1) very wide spread flow. They move enormous amounts of water at a relatively low velocity.
2) Watching the Ecosmart modes in action is wonderful. The standing waves that these pumps can create I have not seem matched by ANY other pump OR wave box.
3) They just look cool
4) Customer service is the best in the industry ( I know, because I have taken advantage of it)
5)"Upgradeability" - Ecotech has done an outstanding job of building their pumps such that you can upgrade and repair them as necessary. They are making new controllers that you can put on their old pumps to make them better. What other companies do this? There are very few.

6) Resale value; take a look on the used drygoods forum. You typically can get about 2/3rds what you originally paid for this pump. Even more if you bought it used. This is unheard of.

7) No heat transfer to the tank. Most would consider this a moot point, as most powerheads have a negligible watt-draw and thus a negligible heat transfer. Never-the-less, comparing watts to heat added to tank, the Vortechs are very low.

Cons
1) Price, although this is subjective. They are expensive, but your paying for the package deal. Think about it. Your buying pumps that talk to eachother. Wirelessly. Your paying for the customer service, the warranty, the research it takes to build and improve them, and the forethought to keep them upgradable in the future.

2) It is too bad that they can't be pointed in different directions. This is not an oversight however. Just something that is inherent in the design. Most of this is compensated in their incredibly wide flow.

3) There are no cords in the tank, but if you run the pumps in their recommended ecosmart configuration, there will be pump cords attached to the side of your tank. It is a touch unsightly, but an easy tradeoff for me. It is a big deal to some.

Some Things to Note:

a) There are many who will tell you that their Koralia's are just as good as any other power head. This is simply not true. Right before I purchased my vortechs, I had bought 2 Koralia II's (new style AC). Out of the box, one was extremely loud (louder than all 3 or my MP60's at 100%), and the other would spin the wrong direction half of the time it started. Koralias are ok pumps, and with enough, and assuming that your luck to get one that actually works, you can set up sufficient flow for any reef system. You have to compare apples to apples here, and comparing a Koralia (even the controllable one's) to a Vortech is just silly.

b) If you buy 2 MP40's now, you can upgrade your tank to about 150gallons and not have to buy another powerhead. This will save you money in the future. If you don't have the $$ for 2, just buy one, and replace one of your Koralias with it. Buy the second when ever you can.

c) If you know anyone with a vortech, stop by their place. Listen to them and see if the noise will bother you (probably won't). Watch them in different modes, and listen to what the owners have to say about them.

d) Do some research on the Tunze pumps too. I have never used them, but I am sure they are outstanding pumps as well.

e) Keep in mind that although 2 MP10's will be sufficient for your tank now, if you go any larger than a 55 you will either need another MP10 or you will have to go up in size on one of your Vortech's. Again, I would suggest buying a single 40 now, and buy a second one when you can afford it. Also keep in mind the tank wall thickness during your research. Different sizes have different maximum tank thicknesses on which they can operate.

Hope this helps, and good luck with your decision.

Nate

Everything you said in your post I agree with, but the only problem is pricing. You have a 150 gallon tank and you needed to take three $700 pumps that are rated for 1000 gallons to get the flow you want. To me this is unacceptable.
 
Everything you said in your post I agree with, but the only problem is pricing. You have a 150 gallon tank and you needed to take three $700 pumps that are rated for 1000 gallons to get the flow you want. To me this is unacceptable.

Just because he uses 3 MP60s on his 150 does not mean that it takes 3 mp60s for a 150. I would wager 2 MP 40s would work for most people on a 150.
 
more pumps just adds flexibility and a little more control over the flow.

you can get by with one. the control you have with 2 or more is nice tho, my corals really responded when i added the 2nd.

and just so everyone realizes you can mix and match different size pumps. you could have 2 MP40s and an MP10. one MP40 and one MP10. you could have 3 MP60's, 4 MP40's and 6 MP10's. I believe you can have up to 6 master pumps with unlimited slaves....

my two koralias were so loud that my fish wouldn't even come out into the open until i removed them from the tank. they clicked every time they started up, i had them on a wave timer.... you wanna hear annoying, listen to "click, click" every several seconds all day... over and over and over...
 
this thread has been very helpful for me. I'm setting up a 4ft. 150 gal and I'm thinking about an upgrade from koralinas to vortech's.
 
I have been and continue to be skeptical about the price point of the vortechs. For the price, i expected much more from the pump itself. Too much cheap looking/feeling plastic, too much slop/play.

There are many people that use tunze with very good results.

That hasn't stopped me from buying 3 used mp40s and now one used mp10.

They are just too user friendly and the controller very convenient.
 
Everything you said in your post I agree with, but the only problem is pricing. You have a 150 gallon tank and you needed to take three $700 pumps that are rated for 1000 gallons to get the flow you want. To me this is unacceptable.

Nick P said it precisely. I don't need them, of course. One of the MP60's would provide plenty of flow to the tank. Hell, I don't even need the 60's. I had bought MP40's for the tank to begin with, but 3/4" thick glass was pushing the limits of the pump. Additionally, after I bought the mp60's my plan was to have them on the back glass, so I got three to really randomize things. I now have them in an ecosmart configuration, and run them at 40% NTM. Also, think about this: I could go up to like a 1000 gallon tank and never have to upgrade powerheads. This makes me happy :) .
 
Just because he uses 3 MP60s on his 150 does not mean that it takes 3 mp60s for a 150. I would wager 2 MP 40s would work for most people on a 150.

agreed very much so... people need to think about it a little more before jumping to conclusion... 2 mp40s on a 150 would be jus fine... thats a far cry from $700 x 3...

and jus to note, they arent rated for 1000g's of flow each, they are rated for up to 1000 gallon tanks... each pump pushes like 6 or 7 thousand gph i believe...

like i dont NEED 2 mp40s for my 75g tank, i jus want them... 2 mp10s would most likely do fine too, i jus love to over kill it :)
 
Hi reefers....

News....

I´m currently run this mp40 at 40-50% in reefcrest mode...and it seems to be better....to be honest I´m completely inclined to belive that just one pump could keep my tank!

It´s very strange because only 40-50% produces so much flow...aparently more than two koralias

The chance to keep my tank with only 1 pump is very plesant...because like I said before...one of the lateral of my tank is in front of my hall...so I will be happy if I don´t need to put a pump in this side!

I will keep runing in this mode until tomorrow...let´s see the corals reactions...

Thank´s so much...this thread is helping me so much too!

Hails from Brazil

D.
 
Hey I'm just going by what I read. He said he had three MP60's on 150 so I figured he wasn't getting the right flow with 1 or 2. I like the vortechs a lot because of the no wire concept in the tank. I'll probably continue to buy them but I do believe they are over priced. I have an MP10 on a 40B and I have it on reef crest mode, the max flow setting it goes up to is like 70 percent and every where in between. It spends most of it's time down at 30% flow rate. If I were growing acros I would need another pump, no doubt. But since there is onl zoas and RBTA+GBTA it really doesn't need heavy flow. I have had an MP40 on a 75, and while the MP40 fully cranked pushes a lot of water, you need another pump. The opposite side of the tank where the mp40 is pointing really dies down to almost no flow. My vortechs usually spend their time on constant speed mode.
 
It depends on how sensitive you are to noise. Can you hear them. Yes you can. Is it a deal breaker for some. Yes, but they are in general very sensitive to noise and have a 100% silent setup.

Here is a video of 4x mp40. There are a lot of thinks you can hear in the video including the vortechs. Just noticed I got a thumbs down. :lol: @ sour grapes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNYgEL1QEdc

[violation] I had this turned up all the way at work.:uzi:
 
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Is one 40 enough for my 60 gallon? Will i actually get the wave effect?

I think it will, and yes, you should still get the wave effect.

Some people like to add more to have more control. When I see a TOTM with a bunch of vortechs added to it simply for more precise control, I will believe that statement. Not trying to be cynical, but I know some get into the habit of thinking that dumping money into all of your equipment will equate to success. (for the record, this statement is not directed towards anyone in particular here).

I second the statement that they feel a little cheap for what you are getting. I get that the price has to make up for R&D, but the profits they are pulling in far outweighs the R&D costs. That's business though. Sell it for what people are willing to pay for it.
 
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