Total System Levasole Planaria Kill Recipe

Dosed again on Sat (2nd week of dosing) and again had about 90-95% die-off. I was surprised at the amount of flatworms that died the second week after just dosing the week before. This week I'm going to turkey baste the rocks and glass every day to try to keep the FW suspended and try to keep numbers down while doing my usual sucking them out with airline tubing. I'll re-dose this next Sat. at 1ml again, and if there are still FW I'll bump to 1.5ml the next weekend. These are hearty little buggers for sure.
 
Alright - I could use the expert's thoughts here.

This past weekend was my third weekend dosing in a row. I increased the dosage to 1.5ml/g. There was die-off just like the past two weekends. I left the lev in the system for an hour before starting the carbon and doing a water change. The day after, there were still flatworms in the system. At this point I am not sure what to do. I followed the directions from preparation to dosing exactly - double and triple checking that the amounts were correct. Do I simply have a resistant strain of flatworm? I feel that if that were the case, I would cease to have die-off, which hasn't happened. Should I continue dosing at 1.5ml/g? Should I increase the frequency of dosing to twice a week instead of once?

Any guidance here would be appreciated.
 
I'm nor sure the strength was high enough and would also give it more time. One can clone out a strain of resistant animals by applying just enough to kill the ones most sensitive while the less sensitive survive to breed stronger better animals.

In Nematodes, Levamisole does not kill the eggs. Planaria produce eggs. Levamisole doesn't affect these. Good reason for follow up treatment.

CleveYank, any ideas?

Charles H
 
I'm nor sure the strength was high enough and would also give it more time. One can clone out a strain of resistant animals by applying just enough to kill the ones most sensitive while the less sensitive survive to breed stronger better animals.

In Nematodes, Levamisole does not kill the eggs. Planaria produce eggs. Levamisole doesn't affect these. Good reason for follow up treatment.

CleveYank, any ideas?

Charles H

I just got rotaitor cuff surgery, so I am one handed for typing.

Daily water changes 20% to super clean the system.
I'd dose at the end of full week of this. Fresh carbon every couple days too.
Then, I'd also shine a light at a corner of the tank where the remaining should congregrate? If there are not too many at the end of this week, I'd hit it with 1.5 and leave it with no carbon or water changes. One part of my test I was not water changing or carbon and my SPS and fish were fine. If you do not have prized SPS you could go into 2.0 per gallon land, but that's pushing it.

HTH
 
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I have some SPS that I'd rather not kill. My red brittle star and ceriths aren't going to be happy if I don't do a WC or run carbon. I'll try to get them out and into QT before I do the 1.5 and leave it. If that doesn't work, I might push it to 2 as a last resort and just hope nothing happens. So far, the SPS haven't shown any kind of stress when I've dosed, even at the 1.5 level.

Thanks - I'll keep you updated.
 
I have some SPS that I'd rather not kill. My red brittle star and ceriths aren't going to be happy if I don't do a WC or run carbon. I'll try to get them out and into QT before I do the 1.5 and leave it. If that doesn't work, I might push it to 2 as a last resort and just hope nothing happens. So far, the SPS haven't shown any kind of stress when I've dosed, even at the 1.5 level.

Thanks - I'll keep you updated.


if you can.

take out some live rock

treat it at 2ml per gallon

remove brittles that come out and set them in container with nsw.

let this rock sit in bucket for a good hour.

make more nsw and rinse this live rock by dunking and powerhead

make nsw for bucket or tank you can aerate and put brittles and snails in there for holding with the treated and rinsed live rock.

Hit the tank with the higher dose and pluck out starfish as they appear, rinse them and place in temp holding bucket/tank. Brittles and the snails should be able to wait it out for a week whole 1.5 or (2.0 last resort) nonwater changed non-carbon filtered dosage done after super dilluting with the week's long water changes I recommended.

If you can get a tank or QT that you can have for banking frags of the prized stuff maybe that is in order at least you'll have a sample. but if flatworm pop is down to stragglers the levasole combined with low pop toxcin release you should be OK.

I hope you have a good result. Only other way would be systematically super dosing and Q-tank setup over time isolating specimen you want and then running really high dosages rinsing and then resetting things back up in the regular after you beat them.
 
Yeah, I have a small 2.5g tank i could use for a QT for a week. I'm going to start the WC today and use the changes to suck out what FW I see. This should keep the pop down and keep them from re-laying eggs during that time. I'll get the stars and ceriths out and hit the tank with 1.5 no carbon or WC for a week and see where I stand. If there are still worms, we'll move to the extreme 2.0, etc.

Thanks for the help.
 
is this treatment safe for clams?


Yes, my maximas and croceas went through the 1 and 1.5 ml per gallon dosings just fine.

But like everything else if you have a really high flatworm population the thing you have to be concerned with is the by-product of their toxin they release into the water as they are dying.
 
I had an extremely high population of FW.
Dosed 1 teaspoon in a 200G tank and it was snowing red within seconds.
Clam knew something was going on, but kept coming out and when the storm was over it was happily back out again.

I always did my doses about an hour before the lights went out, and left it soak overnight before doing a 1/3-1/2 water change.
None of my corals, clams, anemones really complained.

Fish however seam to get freaked.
My blue tang would freak scooting all round the tank.
I have a feeling he had a parasite/worm internal that the levimasole was giving it hell too.
He wouldn't be the same until I did a water change and then he was right.
 
I dosed my display about a month or so ago and was very impressed with the results. No losses or stress on any animals from what I could tell at all.

In any event, I've noticed a few stragglers recently. If there are 20 of them, that would be a lot. Anyway I want them gone before they get out of control like I let them the first time - but now I've taken an interest in keeping starfish. I know that Salifert's XIT can cause them stress - will Levasole do the same?
 
Could you take the starfish out during treatment?

I would hope that someone with the connection, starfish/Levamisole could chime in . . .
 
One of them, yes but the other is a large serpent star that lives under all the rock work. I think I may play it safe and remove the rock I need to and dose it outside of the system.
 
This seems like a good post to Sticky. I see that the original post hasn't been edited since 2008. Maybe the first post can be updated with any new information - powder vs liquid dosing, etc. Great thread!
 
Levamisole Hydrochloride

Levamisole Hydrochloride

Levamisole Hydrochloride comes as an organic salt, a white crystalline powder. Using it to dose the water to kill a particular invertebrate while leaving others alone requires a specific weight of the material to be dissolved in a given amount(weight) of water. Often one expresses the dosage in parts per million or PPM. 5 grams of a salt dissolved in 100 gallons (833 pounds of water) is roughly 13.3 PPM of that salt in that 100 gallons.

If one wants to dose a 50 gallon tank with 13.3 PPM and one only has a 5 gram package of the salt - either weigh out 2.500 grams(gram scale) of that solid OR Dissolve the 5 grams in a known amount of water. Say 10 spoons of water. Now that 10 spoons of solution treats 100 gallons. 5 of those spoons of solution will treat 50 gallons. One of those spoons of solution treats 10 gallons of water, etc. This way one doesn't have to use a gram scale, it's all done by volume measure.


To our Planarian problem: it seems that 5 grams of the solid is effective in 400 gallons of water.
That is 13.3/4= 3.325PPM but that's not really important -
What is really important is the dividing the 5 gram package into portions to treat quantities of tank water. If your sump plus tank, etc. is 400 gallons plus or minus about 50 gallons, then dissolve the 5 grams in some tank water and add it in slowly and watch the tank invertebrates. If there is a lot of stress - then change a lot of water and add charcoal to the filter. If it looks alright, then wait 4 to 8 hours. Syphon out the dead Planaria, then change the water.

If you only have 200 gallons to treat and don't have a gram scale, mix the 5 grams into 10 spoons of water, dissolve it and spoon out 5 spoons of the solution into your tank/system. The remaining 5 spoons of solution can be kept in the refrigerator for 6 to 8 weeks in a closed glass container. It will retain its properties as long as it doesn't evaporate. Vary the strength of the solution as you need for your system's volume of water. It is much easier to split the volume of solution than weigh out specific grams or fractions.

I have kept Levamisole for killing Nematodes in Fresh Water fishes. Now I have found it useful for eliminating Nematodes in Frogs and Toads. It is useful in the Marine systems to eliminate these Flat worms. There are some people raising birds who keep it on hand for Nematodes as well.

Levamisole has found its way into the pharmaceutical world and that has stopped it in the pet market. They would rather sell it for $1000/gram rather than a dollar. There are better dewormers for warm blooded live stock than Levamisole but most of them kill our fishy friends and we wouldn't want that.
 
Looks like I am up next for an experiment on these


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in my 5g QT frag tank. Can anyone identify them? They do not have a red dot that I know of or have seen!?
 
I used a very small amount of powder last night to dose the small mushroom rocks that had they flatty stragglers. Super small amount - less than half of a Salifert spoon's worth and stirred it in a bucket with a few gallons of water. The flatty's are DONE! Almost immediately they shriveled and disappeared.

What a great product.
 
Well, I have to does my 28 gallon nano. I noticed a few a couple of weeks ago and now see quite a few more. Hopefully inkmaker will get back with me pretty soon so I can get to killing those stinking flatworms.
 
ID of Planaria

ID of Planaria

The Planarian you see is an Acoel, there are about 2 dozen of these hermaphroditic Turbellarians found in the seas around the world.
Another 2 dozen are found in fresh water. Some have spots or a single red spot that can be used for scientific identification. There are some quite colorful ones in the fresh water environment sporting bright orange mid sections and green body.

I have found all of the ones I have had contact with are extremely to Levamisole.
 
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