Total System Levasole Planaria Kill Recipe

Well, I just finished dosing my nano with 1ml per gallon and all seems to be going well thus far. The flatworms immediately came out of hiding and started dying rather quickly. I see them floating in the water column now. I will wait a few hours then do a 20% water change this evening. Keep your fingers crossed. Oh, I did live my chemipure elite and purigen in the media strainer just in case as well.
 
Some things I have noticed thus far. My blue tort is the only sps that has retracted it polyps othwerwise, fish, inverts, zoas, cucumber and other corals seem fine. I will do the .3ml per gallon dose in the morning. My plan is to do a water change in a couple of hours and suck out as many of these dead buggers as I can. I did see 2 small flatworms clinging to the glass still.
 
I dosed to the instructions of 1.5 ml per gallon last night and did see a die off of my flat worms. I did a water change of 25 gallons out of 60 total gallons of my display and fuge after siphoning out all of the flat worms. Today I am seeing a lot of stress in my fish and a cloudiness in their eyes. Can anyone offer any suggestions on what to do next?

Thanks
Ben
 
I dosed to the instructions of 1.5 ml per gallon last night and did see a die off of my flat worms. I did a water change of 25 gallons out of 60 total gallons of my display and fuge after siphoning out all of the flat worms. Today I am seeing a lot of stress in my fish and a cloudiness in their eyes. Can anyone offer any suggestions on what to do next?

Thanks
Ben

You should probably go ahead and run some carbon to be on the safe side. I guess I was lucky I have not seen any negative effects yet. I did go ahead and do the .3ml per gallon maintenance dose today and thing seemed fine. I plan on doing the follow up doses the next two weeks as well. If I have learned anything from this is that you should always do some sort of medicated dip on your corals to keep problems from happening.
 
Thanks for the response. I am running carbon right now. I put it in during the water change. How long should I leave it in?

I bought some rock from someone after moving to a larger tank and found the worms on there.
 
Thanks for the response. I am running carbon right now. I put it in during the water change. How long should I leave it in?

I bought some rock from someone after moving to a larger tank and found the worms on there.

I think that most run it all of the time and change it monthly. I use chemi pure elite and purigen in my nano.
 
Sorry if this has been covered but does this treatment kill the white flat worms or the AEFW's? Or any flatworms?
 
Change more water!!! 90 % is better. Don't lose the invertebrates.
More charcoal and faster filtration. Change the WATER!!.

Charles H

Thanks for the response. I am running carbon right now. I put it in during the water change. How long should I leave it in?

I bought some rock from someone after moving to a larger tank and found the worms on there.
 
From: Charles Harrison <charles@inkmkr.com>
To: Ben Grimm <bgrimm2day@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 10:37:18 AM
Subject: Re: Purchase Stuff from Charles H

> I'll send that check out tomorrow.* I have a 40 breeder reef tank with 20 gallon fuge and am trying to kill off a bunch of red flat worms.* I read the write up on reef central by ClevYank and was going to does the way he explained it.* I had one question though. How long do you before a water change?* Do I just suck out the flat worms as they die?

I would go with 5 grams = 200 gallons of water. The label on the package is for Fresh water and not intended to be instructions for use in salt water.
It should take a couple of hours to kill off the majority of the worms. I would leave the Levamisole in the water as long as there is no visible stress on the fish and inverts. But, certainly not over night.
suck out the flat worms when you see them. Most are right out in the middle of things trying to get away of the poison.

Remember this is powerful medication and dangerous to the invertebrates. Be aware and careful with it.

Charles Harrison
 
Okay, I did my testing and this may be a more of what not to do. I have/had a torch coral, safe cracker zoas, nuc green zoas and pink xenia. If you look back a few pages, you will see a picture of the worms I was going after. I transferred the worm infested coral to a 2.5 gallon tank. This tank was not filled to the brim (which is how I think they rate tanks) so I would venture to guess I had around 2 gallons in there.

I mixed ½ teaspoon to 250ml water and stirred gingerly. I added 3 ml (wanted a heavy dose) to the 2 gallons. Watched for 10 minutes and about 30% croaked and the rest writhed in pain. From what I read here, it should have taken them out in that time, so, I added another 3ml to the tank. About 40% of them croaked the second time around within 10 minutes. After this time, I watched the rest of them on the glass writhe around. I waited 20 minutes, an hour, two hour, 3 hours and still writhing on the glass, about 20-30% left. It was bed time so off to bed I went. I let them pickle over night and when I woke up, still there was the same amount of movement in the tank. Everything was closed up, mad and the xenia looked like it was actually "œdrying" up. With movement still going on, I went to work. I came home and the xenia basically melted into a puddle of xenia goo. All zoas and torch shriveled up and bent out of shape. I said enough is enough and dumped the rest of the 250ml in the tank. Yup, that's right, I went into dip mode. I gave it about 20 minutes and decided that did the trick. I threw the frags into a fresh 2.5 gallon tank with newer salt water and let them sit for a day or two.

Well, xenia is toast, actually more like a molted blob of goo. Torch has bleached to a nice lime (not sure if that's healthy) color. Not sure if there were worms on it and was giving it a dark color, especially where the skin meets the calcium, and got killed off or???. Either way, the torch is pretty now : / . Nuc zoas have gotten a fog colored covering and I think they are just on their way out. Safe crackers zoas are discolored (a little of the fog colored gray stuff on them) but they opened. I think they will pull through, though time will tell.

So, if your trying to kill my type of worms in a DT, my advice is to pull the corals and fish, no matter how much a pain, blast the DT with a heavy dose of meds and dip the corals as you put them back in or keep them in a separate tank for the duration of the life cycle of the worms, dipping as needed. Then again, if you have had enough and are ready for some losses, just be prepared for them. Also, no fish were in this test/attack, so, I have NO idea how they would react to such a high dose like the one I did. Last but not least, I did not gradually work my way up to, and take notes, as to how much of LEVASOLE it took to just kill my worms. I got angry and did a nuclear blast on them once and for all.
 
I got my stuff (Thanks Inkmaker) I dosed my 30g frag / clown tank this morning. I used 5g = 400g (for 1 treatment) I think you are refering to that as 5g to 200g right? I poured it in and immediately saw a reaction from the flatworms. They started hanging off the glass then eventually fell off and were floating freely. I couldn't believe how many there were. I thought my infestation was pretty minor in that tank but I was wrong. I immediately started a siphon and siphoned out as many as I could into a filter pad to get them out of the water column. My Xenia didn't like it at all. It shriveled some. After a little while the snails started dropping off the glass and I could see amphipods scurrying around the tank trying to get away from the poison. I have 7 BTA's in that tank and there was no reaction from them or the SPS. I left it for about 3 hours then I did a 30g water change and started running carbon. I will report in a few days with my results. I'll try again with another dose to make sure they are gone. How long should I wait? I want to make sure this goes well before I dose my 190.
 
levamisole treatment

levamisole treatment

I had observed flatworms in my tank for several weeks this spring. At first I was mortified, because I had heard so many horror stories from fellow reefers about the dreaded "flatworm infestation". I spent a lot of time researching the critters, and I am pretty sure what I had was convolutriloba retrogemma, although ID can be somewhat difficult, as there are 100's of species of flatworm. What I did find was that most flatworms are non-threatening to marine aquaria, but can become pests if the flatworm population gets out of hand. Although I could see no evidence of damage, I eventually decided that I would like to get rid of them, because they just didn't look that great crawling around the tank, and I wouldn't be able to trade any coral with flatworms in my tank (although apparently someone else didn't care about this because I got them from somewhere!?). I knew about flatworm Exit, but had read mixed reviews. Then I found this thread, and after digesting all the info from the original levamisole test, and questioning Inkmaker a few times, I decided to go for it and purchased 5 grams. I decided on 5 gms/300 gals based on the past reviews on this thread. I mixed it in 1 liter of RO/DI water, which gave me enough for 4 doses if needed for my 72 gal tank (65 gal water). I have a mix of soft and hard coral, snails, cleaner, peppermint and pistol shrimp, lots of minil stars, blue chromis, yellow tang, royal gramma, starry blenny, watchman goby, false percs, pajama cardinals, urchin. I turned off the skimmer during this. I don't have a sump, and don't do any other filtration. I did do a 20 % water change before starting, just because it was time. Also, about 2 weeks prior I had vacuumed out about 50-75 of the critters just to try it, and I vacuumed out maybe 30-40 more before adding the chemical. I didn't have a huge population, but they were visible in the front glass and front sand, and on some of the live rock. I never saw any on coral. I added the chemical about 6:00PM. The royal gramma swam up into the stream as I was pouring it in, then took off like he was electrocuted, I though he was going to die, but he ended up fine. As far as the fish, they were all fine and I saw no ill effects, except for the blue chromis (I have 5), which changed color to a darker mottled blue, and hid behind the live rock and kind of shivered the whole time. Within a minute or two, I could see dead/dying flatworms floating around the water column. What was interesting was that some died instantly, others flailed for awhile and then died, while a few seemed unfazed in the inital couple of hours and were still alive. The hermits never seemed to notice at all, the shrimp likewise. I have 3 or 4 different species of snail, they seemed fine except for the nassarius. After a few minutes they freaked out, coming out of the sand, crawling up the glass and rocks, and then stopped as if frozen, fully extended out the their shells. I really thought they were goners. But to my amazement, after a couple of hours, they cam back to life and moved on. As far as I can tell none died, but they sure didn't like it. The other animal that didn't like it were the mini brittle stars, of which I have dozens. They crawled out of the woodwork so to speak, as if they were in severe distress. Many ended up floating around the tank as if they were dead. I really thought they weren't going to make it. It was several hours later that I saw some of them coming back to life, and a few didn't seem to be affected. I'm pretty sure I lost some of them, but it wasn't as bad I had initially thought. I also have a lot of "regular" mini starfish, not sure what they're called, they didn't seem to be affected. The coral in general seemed fine, although the toadstool and mushrooms closed up for awhile. Frogspawn, GSP and others were fine. I left everything alone and just watched for several hours. I didn't see any ill effects as time went on, so I left everything overnight. The next morning the blue chromis were still acting weird, so I did a 20% water change, then went to work. That night I was going to run my canister filter with carbon, but it leaked so I couldn't use it. I did another 20% water change, then added carbon to a sock and put it in the outlet chamber of my skimmer, and turned that on. So now it's been a couple of weeks, everything lived through this, but it was stressful for me. I know other people did additional doses at 7 and 14 days, but I'm going to wait because it did put a lot of stress on the system, and I don't know what smaller organisms were killed that I don't know about. So far no sign of any flatworms.
 
Resistant Worms

Resistant Worms

Does anyone have any experience with worms that have built up a resistance to medications like FWE and Lev?

I have completely torn down my display to rid myself of all unwanted critters. Planaria, AEFW, Gorilla crabs and whatever else was in there.

The problem being I dont want to add them back into the new system(rock baked for 6 weeks)

All my SPS and LPS is in a 90g frag tank waiting to go back in but the Planaria are in there now. I have never treated that tank with Lev but all the livestock thats currently in it has been treated before. I am positive that there are resistant worms in the frag tank currently.

What is the estimated life span of a Planaria?
Do offspring of resistant worms carry the resistance as well or would "new" worms be more sussesptable to the treatments?

Looking for some advice here on keeping my new system free and clear when I start transferring livestock back into the main display

Thanks in advance

Dwayne
 
Update on my tank - I haven't dosed Lev since the first trial. I added an MP40 to my 9g tank (lol) and the added flow is cutting the numbers down in preparation for a system move to my new 40B. As things are transferred over, they'll be dipped in a concentrated Lev solution and QTd for a few days/redipped if needed.
 
An update. I used 5g - 400gallons (1 Treatment) and it eradicated my FW problem in the tank. Its been 6 ish weeks and no return of them. Today I dose the big tank. I only lost a few snails in the small tank so hopefully this works out the same.
 
Well so far so good. I dosed the tank at 1 pm yesterday and siphoned as many out as i could. The skimmer was skimming red for a while so I guess that's good it was taking out the toxins. I had to remove my Linkia <sp?> and Serpent stars as they were in obvious distress. They seem fine today in my small tank downstairs. My snails look better in this tank than they did in the smaller one. My SPS all retracted their polyps and my Haddoni closed up. I did a 65 gallon water change at about 7:30 and started up my 2 Phosban reactors with carbon in them. Everything looks good today and best of all. NO FLATWORMS :)
 
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