Total System Levasole Planaria Kill Recipe

I just checked back to post that since the original levasole dosing my tanks remain planaria flatworm free. :) :) :)



After I complete my next major system change I have planned, I will take some rock and frags and place them in a separate system to see if they re-emerge as has been the case when they have disappeared prior. I am hopeful that this final extra step will prove that they are finally gone. (This in order to double check a possible dormancy issue, which I have noted prior.)
 
well,,,,

7 years ago, my multi tank frag system got a nasty case of red planaria. They absolutely prospered and grew into a bright orange matt a quarter inch thick covering the entire plenum sand beds, rock and frag rock. and were climbing all over the glass and corals.

There was no patented formula for ridding them then. Pre-EXIT era, so to say. I experimented with things like melafix, which in pretty good doses, seemed to kill about 75% of them. Making the water bright orange, smellining like iodine and driving the protein skimmer absolutely wild!! Like adding laundry detergent to an automatic dish washer. If you have ever done that. but that didn't quite do the trick.

so i tried what a local store does to rid their tanks of red planaria , when they get them. They usually tap water dip the macro that customers bring in for sale or trade, to rid any flat worms and such. but forgot one time. They got infested, and I bought a frag from their tank system. VOILA! Red Planaira everywhere! enough said.

So they just fresh water flushed their whole wall tank system, and sump to rid them. so i figured , so would I.

I first syphoned out as many as i could. One idea i have seen on RC, to syphon flat worms to a filter sock in the sump works very well to capture most of them. then bleach the sock. then i removed each coral, frag and rock, one at a time, and blew the loose flat worms off them in a bucket of tank water with a power head. then place them in a tray, tub or tank of clean salt water. then I put a bunch of power heads in the vacant tanks to swirl the water around in a circle while filtering any loosened flat worms with the over flow filters and an HOT micron filter. stiring up the sand bed while i was at it to get the dirt out too.

Then i syphoned all the water out of the tanks as deep into the plenum sand beds as i could. refilled the tanks with tap water from a garden hose. and ran the sump pumps to circulate for 5 to 10 minutes. Drained and refilled with new salt water. then i replaced all the corals and rock ONLY AFTER giving each one a 20-30 second swirling dip in RO water to kill any remaning flat worms in their base rock. And that was it.

I never saw them again in that system.

But i got them again recently from some frag. so right now, im doing an EXIT treatment. and if that fails. Thanks to a friend who directed me to this thread, I do think i will experiment with the Lamanisole treatment, as there is a Tractor supply just down the road. sounds like a good idea.

I'm in the process of tearing this sytem down anyway to replace with a larger tank. I want to salvage as much as i can from the tanks, and rid them of pests and algaes. a whole new curing project.

One of these methods should do the trick for me.


Thanks to all for all the good info!
 
Ok, well, i am ready to try this. From reading the post, you guys had good success and no losses of any inhabitants other than the flatworms right??

CleveYank, can you please tell me exactly the formula that you decided was correct, and the proper dosing of it(amount, and how often) for my 85 gallon tank? There is quite a few of the flatworms in this tank. I would very much appreciate it. I have the normal corals, softies, leathers, and a couple lps corals. Some crabs, shrimps, feather dusters, snails, etc. thanks
 
basssnake,
RE-read my very 1st post at the very beginning for complete clarity for the exact recipe. (to get down to it for time and reading, I provided the concentration and dosage calculation 1st since I figured this thread would get some twists and turns that would bury the info) ----> It is very important that you follow the concentration as specifed for your mix. Then you administer that at either 1ml to 1.5 ml per gallon of total possible tank volume PLUS actual to possible sump fluid volume. (So if you have a huge skimmer and canister and refugiums you would need to add those to calculation to get to your dosage number) The 1 per gallon really makes this thing bullet proof if you mix the concentration in the recipe exact. I dosed the tank with both 1 and 1.5 ml per gallon dosages in 2 systems under these guidelines which allowed me to test the concentration at 2 possible dosage limits. And I did 1/2 of initial amount added as a maintenance dose the next day. And then I did a repeat full dose every 7 days for 4 weeks just to see if it could be done with no harm. Under this what I believe was overkill dosing, still yeilded no losses.
----> In another trial to treat a different parasite brought me up to a 3ml per gallon dosage WHICH WAS TOXIC! So trying to follow the concentration and the 1 to 1.5ml per gallon amounts as a limit is the best. Also treat this as the same as the flatworm exit instruction concerning the toxic impact of the flatworm dieoff. So don't forget the possible 50% water change need and running carbon. Good Luck, if you find any other issues sing out.
 
Well its been almost 5 months since my dosing I have not seen any flatworms I didnt ever add another dose after the initial dose. Its been so nice without those dang ugly little things.
 
The RC monster ate my reply so here is the short version.

Two months after initial treatment I find for sure a single Red Planaria flatworm. It's around 0.5 mm in size.

I'll try to get more of Levamisole to treat the tank for a few months.

Read my posts above and come to your own conclusion.
 
I think one element to this or any treatment is to do a follow up dose about 5-7 days after the initial treatment whether you see any remaining flatworms or not. This knocks out any lurkers or larva that remain. Given the cost, additional treatments are very economical (unless you live in Iceland).

That being said, the only side effects I have seen in my system were zoos and microstars seem to react but recover fine.
 
My schedule is to redose the LEVASOLE for a total of 3 to 4 weeks every 7 days in the EXACT MANNER

Did you ever follow this regime when you were using Flatworm exit?

I may have missed it, but how long did you leave the levamisole treatment in your system before a water change or carbon use?

If I read this comment below correctly you didn't do any water changes during the treatment period?
4th and final dose goes in later today.

Be nice to finally do some water changes again.

Just looking for clarification, thanks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13025358#post13025358 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Big E
Did you ever follow this regime when you were using Flatworm exit?

I may have missed it, but how long did you leave the levamisole treatment in your system before a water change or carbon use?

If I read this comment below correctly you didn't do any water changes during the treatment period?


Just looking for clarification, thanks

Yes Big E you are reading it correctly.

I did no water changes during my 4 week long dosing.
reason 1.
after the last failed flatworm exit dosage at 4 times the required amount kicked most of the planaria my population was still in the re-building process so the carbon I was running non-stop was surely enough to offset their toxin via their die-off and would gradually pull the Levasole back out in between dosing.
reason 2.
I wanted to see what the longterm impact of the Levasole would be. So I monitored the tanks with -0- water changes to see what would be the result.

Now, had I had a large population of them I would have been doing the water changes to counter the toxin as a result of a massive flatworm kill that would result.
 
DNA, I am wondering if there is a concentration difference of the active ingradient between the powered form that CleveYank used and the liquid form you used? Has anyone been able to check this? I am thinking about trying this on my system and the liquid sounds easier to use, but DNA is the only one to find a second outbreak so far.

Has anyone tried this on a system with an elegance, gorgonians, or mandarine?

I live on the Gulf Coast, walking distance to the Gulf of Mexico. There aren't any tractor places near here that I know of. Is there anywhere else to get some? Someone mentioned ordering online. What was the site? Has anyone asked their vet?

Very interesting thread! Thank you for the experiment style tests that you ran. They take time, but provide good information.
 
Well I dosed the tank and it worked better than flatworm exit has in the past. However, it has now been a week and I found two alive. I hope the second dose breaks the lifecycle.
 
It looks as if someone who would like to remain annonymous for now has found a supply of powder levasole that has to be ordered per gram.

What is the dosage based on grams?


Thanks,

marco
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13031654#post13031654 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jadeguppy


Has anyone tried this on a system with an elegance, gorgonians, or mandarine?


Very interesting thread! Thank you for the experiment style tests that you ran. They take time, but provide good information.

I have gorgonians in my tanks. No problems.
I have large stone polyp stuff as well so I assume the elegance should fair the same. (But given how much I love elegance corals myself I could see the wonder and worry ;) ) I found -0- problems with any of my fish. I think all that have dosed so far have found the same.

I am pretty sure I provided the name: LiveStock Concepts for the online vendor. Just google it...it's out there and they were cheaper than the tractor supply delivered to the door.

wizsmaster
It's measured out so many grams in a bottle. But I guess I can ask the question. Why would anyone play with that? Most have access to teaspoons and not accurate scales so hence my reason for making this as easy to duplicate as possible so that my good result would be your good results. Frankly I took all the guess work out of this recipe to the best possible end I could without getting too anal about it...LOL.
 
I tried it and had no problems with the goniopora, elegance, or mandarine. I did find a few flatworms after a week so I dosed again.
 
Does anyone know how much levasole is in 1/2tsp? I was thinking of using levemisol, which is the active ingredient, but I don't know the concentration.
 
I have the bottle here from Schering-Plough Animal Health Levamisole Hydrochloride the 20.17g (0.712oz) bottle of powder contains 18.1g of Levamisole Hydrochloride.
I also have a bottle of Durvet brand that says the exact same concentration 18.1g in the 20.17g of powder in the bottle.

I calculated 20.17g x 90 percent gives you 18.15g active ingredient.

I wish I had a better measurement for you but I will have to guess that after dosing with 2.5 tsp there was approximately 1.5 tsp left.

I would say there is 4 tsp in the 18.15grams so roughly 2.25g (active chemical) per 240ml (or 240 gallons treated)

You might want to start at half dose and then add slowly until you see astrea snails showing signs of stress. That is the most noticeable sign as you approach full dosage other than flatworms swirling in the water column.

If you go light on them then treat again at 1.5 strength 2 days later followed by the same strength a week later you should knock out the population.

I wish I had a full bottle here so I could measure it in tsp for you but this is the best I can do for now.

Good Luck!
-- Kevin
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151013#post13151013 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by itZme

I would say there is 4 tsp in the 18.15grams so roughly 2.25g (active chemical) per 240ml (or 240 gallons treated)

Good Luck!
-- Kevin

Thanks Kevin. That's exactly the info I was looking for.
 
So I am getting ready to do this....

Who all has done it and been successful. Please let me know as I hope it will make it easier for me :)
 
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