Treating ich
- Thread starter MarkKlier
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I have it off right now. I think it will be good to run, since in a 30gal breeder using a mag3 would cycle the water about 10 times an hour. I put the mag right in the tank and UV right above the tank....
No I have not used fresh water dips on the fish...
On a good note, going to use this time with a "fishless" tank to kill every other pathogen in the tank. Down to about 5-6 hard to get at majanos, and have some nasty aptasia.
Removing each rock stack....cleaning it inspecting it in the sump for a day, then back in.
The flat worms are being siphoned out daily, since no food expect less. Then in a week or two I will treat with a good dose of flat worm exit. Will then do the same for the red slime.
Without fish, this is a whole lot easier. Will keep you posted.
No I have not used fresh water dips on the fish...
On a good note, going to use this time with a "fishless" tank to kill every other pathogen in the tank. Down to about 5-6 hard to get at majanos, and have some nasty aptasia.
Removing each rock stack....cleaning it inspecting it in the sump for a day, then back in.
The flat worms are being siphoned out daily, since no food expect less. Then in a week or two I will treat with a good dose of flat worm exit. Will then do the same for the red slime.
Without fish, this is a whole lot easier. Will keep you posted.
GMaquarium
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Mark this is never a fun thing to go through but I think taking the time with proper treatment is the best way to save those fish and keep them for years to come.
I personally use uv with copper and have done so for years without running into problems. I like to use a slow powerhead for uv. Longer contact time means it would zap more crypto babies floating in the water column.
Its an interesting idea that perhaps frozen food may carry parasites. I don't think commercially available foods may pass protozoans like cryptocoryon. Although I have never studied this issue I do have a short story about the topic, if I may. Not trying to derail the topic here.
I used to run a hatchery outside the store for breeding fish and quarantining imported fish, freshwater stuff for most part. There I kept things so isolated that I had different syphons, nets, turkey basters... everything separate for each hospital tank. At times I would need to use something in another tank so I would toss the net or syphon tube into a large freezer. Thinking that if its frozen, stuff on it should be dead.
So one time my uncle came to visit us from another country. He is also a lifetime hobbyist and breeder who runs a fish shop. He sees me do this and before you know we
are debating on this. He claimed at that time that a cyst of ich can be on the net in bellow freezing temps for days, even dry he claimed they can survive for longer than we may think. To be honest, I never got around to finding out if my uncle was correct or not.
I personally use uv with copper and have done so for years without running into problems. I like to use a slow powerhead for uv. Longer contact time means it would zap more crypto babies floating in the water column.
Its an interesting idea that perhaps frozen food may carry parasites. I don't think commercially available foods may pass protozoans like cryptocoryon. Although I have never studied this issue I do have a short story about the topic, if I may. Not trying to derail the topic here.
I used to run a hatchery outside the store for breeding fish and quarantining imported fish, freshwater stuff for most part. There I kept things so isolated that I had different syphons, nets, turkey basters... everything separate for each hospital tank. At times I would need to use something in another tank so I would toss the net or syphon tube into a large freezer. Thinking that if its frozen, stuff on it should be dead.
So one time my uncle came to visit us from another country. He is also a lifetime hobbyist and breeder who runs a fish shop. He sees me do this and before you know we
are debating on this. He claimed at that time that a cyst of ich can be on the net in bellow freezing temps for days, even dry he claimed they can survive for longer than we may think. To be honest, I never got around to finding out if my uncle was correct or not.
GMaquarium
New member
i use ionic copper. I would think if uv does something to copper it would be chelated?
Mark K,
It should definately make for a good followup thread on the longer term side of it.Especially so that your going the full distance here.Wish you luck.
GMaquarium,
The only reference to raw seafoods being potential sources of parasites (that I seen anyway)was from Spottes CSF but its vague and breif,nonspecific and uses the word "parasites" in a loose sense.No mention of C.irritans directly.That was just some out of the box thinking.From what Ive read C.irritans couldn't survive being dried.Something about the cell walls colapsing and they would have to stay wet.Dont know for how long though.
Did some searching and didn't have much luck but this article might be interesting to read.Unfortunately I can only acess the abstract(cant pay the readers fee) Thats the lowest temperature range I could find in preserving C.Irritans.(note the 5 C= 41F )and surviving months with infectivity occuring.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T4D-4XDMHF1-1&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F01%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1660076058&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=027d33f569cd75a6129cae58330e3900&searchtype=a
Thought this was interesting,too.Reason being, wonder at what temperature "frozen fish foods" are subjected to.I have no clue but I doubt highly any household freezers are going this low temp wise.I know everytime I buy freshfish at the market its laying on ice and not frozen.Clams are alive ,maybe this is what Spotte is refring to,seems reasonable considering lots of reefkeepers make their own fishfood from raw ingredients.http://seafood.ucdavis.edu/pubs/nematodes.htm
It should definately make for a good followup thread on the longer term side of it.Especially so that your going the full distance here.Wish you luck.
GMaquarium,
The only reference to raw seafoods being potential sources of parasites (that I seen anyway)was from Spottes CSF but its vague and breif,nonspecific and uses the word "parasites" in a loose sense.No mention of C.irritans directly.That was just some out of the box thinking.From what Ive read C.irritans couldn't survive being dried.Something about the cell walls colapsing and they would have to stay wet.Dont know for how long though.
Did some searching and didn't have much luck but this article might be interesting to read.Unfortunately I can only acess the abstract(cant pay the readers fee) Thats the lowest temperature range I could find in preserving C.Irritans.(note the 5 C= 41F )and surviving months with infectivity occuring.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T4D-4XDMHF1-1&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F01%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1660076058&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=027d33f569cd75a6129cae58330e3900&searchtype=a
Thought this was interesting,too.Reason being, wonder at what temperature "frozen fish foods" are subjected to.I have no clue but I doubt highly any household freezers are going this low temp wise.I know everytime I buy freshfish at the market its laying on ice and not frozen.Clams are alive ,maybe this is what Spotte is refring to,seems reasonable considering lots of reefkeepers make their own fishfood from raw ingredients.http://seafood.ucdavis.edu/pubs/nematodes.htm
Since we're on the subject of frozen fish food,several years ago a study was done to check vibrio bacterial content in the major brands. The researchers grew bacterial cultures and did counts noting significant levels of contamination even when the food remained continuously frozen. It was summarized in an issue of Coral Magazine,sory I don't have a specific issue reference.
Since I thaw and rinse frozen food before feeding it was easy to implement their recommendation to thaw it in chlorinated tap water,drain it off and then add ro water.This works for reducing bacteria.
Since I thaw and rinse frozen food before feeding it was easy to implement their recommendation to thaw it in chlorinated tap water,drain it off and then add ro water.This works for reducing bacteria.
