Treating with Vitamin C

[Pufferpunk]

Puff, That could be from the C but it also could just be a coincidence. Leathers are finiky & slump over for weeks, often for no reason & then perk up just as quickly for no apparent reason either. I hope you see a lof of other improvements in your tank, keep us posted!

 

[sellout007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11777574#post11777574 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
I'm not sure what you would have me do--remove the offending corals? IMO, that would be the leathers, which are growing on the same large rocks the zoas are.

Maybe try and frag them off the rocks? While you might not get all of them completely off, you will remove a huge portion of what could possibly be causing an issue. I would think this would also require you to stop dosing VC at some point to see if bad things have stopped. Actually to rule out the VC fixing everything, you would need to stop that first, then remove the leathers, then wait and see what happens. Lots of work, but it could really go a long way in figuring out what the VC is helping/doing.

Honestly I completely understand your hesitation, It sounds like a TON of work. *lol* Curiosity would get the better of me though. I need to know things like that haha, it causes me much problems in life. :rollface:


It really would be helpful if everyone posted more info. Forget pictures, but simply give the basics. Tank size, quantity/type of corals, quantity/type of fish, filtration etc etc. This could help us pinpoint who is actually having problems and if they are similar in setups or who is just dosing (like me) to dose.

 

[Pufferpunk]

I appreciate the suggestion but that's not gonna happen... I have 4 really nicely growing leathers in there. I'd rather keep adding the C. In addition, what about the benefits to the rest of my tank?

I definately would like to hear about other's sets up, where you are having a severe problem of losing colonies of zoas to melting & what "toxic" corals, like leathers, are in there.

 

[sellout007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11777755#post11777755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
I appreciate the suggestion but that's not gonna happen... I have 4 really nicely growing leathers in there. I'd rather keep adding the C. In addition, what about the benefits to the rest of my tank?

I definately would like to hear about other's sets up, where you are having a severe problem of losing colonies of zoas to melting & what "toxic" corals, like leathers, are in there.

Hey, its your call. But I am sure that you would be the first one in a thread to chastise someone who has a 3ft puffer in a 6ft tank even though its a *nice looking puffer and healthy*. Right? Just don't be surprised if whatever is causing problems in your tank to not go away, or to go dormant and then spring back on you if you stop VC. Or you might get lucky and the VC will actually fix it! O)

I am not sure what the benefits to your other corals have to do with what we are talking about. I am not saying to stop using VC forever, just until you could figure out what the problem was, and what the VC might be covering up or fixing.

 

[sellout007]

I am going to make a list of information we should be gathering, and we cna pass it around and get a better assesment of whats going on.

Let me know if anyone has an ideas/categories to add to the list.

 

[Pufferpunk]

Sounds good. Don't get me wrong, I would like to know if it is my leathers causing the problem but I also nave no issues in dosing C forever. I do intend to continue keeping leathers with my other corals. It would be interesting to know however, if this problem is happening on zoa-only tanks too or at least tanks w/o leathers. That would help a lot!

And how can you compare a puffer to a coral?

 

[sellout007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11777992#post11777992 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
Sounds good. Don't get me wrong, I would like to know if it is my leathers causing the problem but I also nave no issues in dosing C forever. I do intend to continue keeping leathers with my other corals. It would be interesting to know however, if this problem is happening on zoa-only tanks too or at least tanks w/o leathers. That would help a lot!

And how can you compare a puffer to a coral?

*laughs* I knew I would get that last comment! haha


And yes, I really want to know what types of tanks are having these problems. Is it mixed reefs? Is it happening from zoas comming from mixed reef tanks? Is it all sorts of tanks? etc etc..




How does this list sounds so far?


Tank Size: (size of tank)

Live Rock: (yes/no & quantity)

Filtration: (type of filtration, wet/dry, berlin, refugium, skimmer, reactors etc etc.)

Lighting: (type & quantity)

Fish: (type & quantity)

Corals: (types & quantity)

Water Quality: (Am, Ni, Na, Ph, Ca, Alk, Mag, etc etc)

Amount of VC: (how much VC & how often daily)

Reason for VC: (Why did you start dosing VC. What problems, if any, were you having before dosing VC.)

Improvements/complications: (What improvements have you seen, what complications have you encountered.)




If anyone has anything to add, let me know.

 

[LiveRock27]

I did my first dose this morning w/Sodium Ascobate of 200mg VC. I thought I would add a section for what people dose in their tank and how often.

Tank Size: 14g Biocube

Live Rock: 13lbs in DT and 3lbs in 2nd chamber

Filtration: Skimmer, live rock rubble, purigen, and carbon

Supplements: 1 cap of Seachem Complete twice a week and Prodibio Reef Kit every 15 days, Reef Booster once a week

Lighting: 3x24watts of pc (2x10K, 1xActinic)

Fish: 2 ORA misbar True Percs

Corals: Zoas/Palys frags and 1 acan lord frag

Water Quality: Am 0, Ni 0, Na 0, Ph 8.2, Ca 500, Alk 10, Phos 0

Amount of VC: started w/200mg VC twice a day and work up to 1500mg VC twice a day.

Reason for VC: Zoas are not opening and some have died off.
Improvements/complications: First day, so no change.

I took lots of before pics and will try and post them later.

 

[sellout007]

I am thinking I am going to start a new thread, specifically for information like this. No discussion, just data. That way it won't get cluttered with talk, and it will be a nice reference thread and easy to gather all the info.

Sound good?

 

[LiveRock27]

Quick question. I have the pill form because that is all I could find. Should I crush up the pill and put it directly into the DT or should I throw a pill into one of the back chambers and let it disolve in the tank. I picked up a pill cutter that also has a crusher on it, so I crushed the first dose this morning, but it left particles floating in my DT for a long time.

 

[sellout007]

When I was using the pills, I simply threw it in my sump and let it dissolve. You will probably get the particles either way you do it. It takes a while for the pills to fully dissolve as it has binders to keep it all together.

 

[LiveRock27]

I think this evening I will throw the cut pill in the chamber w/my return pump and let it disolve back there to see if there is a differece.
Sellout007 did you start a thread for tank info only yet?

 

[RoyalEnchntrss]

Tank Size: 30 gallon with a 10 gallon fuge

Live Rock: yes and Im not sure how much but I think its a lot.. haha

Filtration: Fuge, Skimmer, Hang on filter on fuge

Lighting: 250 20K MH

Fish: Clownfish pair, Bangaii Cardinal Pair and a 6 line wrasse

Corals: Zoos mostly now, I had a bunch of SPS and they died ... i think I have 3 hard corals left, a feather duster, mushrooms.. GSP lol

Water Quality: Am - 0
Ni - 0
Na - 0
Ph - 7.8
Ca - 450
Alk - 10


Amount of VC: I started at 500mg and I'm up to 2000mg twice a day.. Its been about a month

Reason for VC: Zoos were closed up and melting/dying away

Improvements/complications: Zoos are opening and slowly getting better, Corals are open more, happier looking. Algae is going away?? Ph is dropping a little so I'm switching over to the buffered powder form once it arrives..

 

[sellout007]

I am wondering if I should start it here (zoa forum) or in the Advanced Techniques forum. I am thinking the latter as this is now beyond just zoanthids.

I will post it there in a few minutes.

 

[Obi-dad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11779880#post11779880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RoyalEnchntrss
I had a bunch of SPS and they died

Was this due to C, or prior to dosing?

 

[sellout007]

Ok here is the new thread for data only. If everyone that has participated in this thread so far could go there and put a post up with the info that was requested it would really help everyone.



http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1313416

 

[driftin]

I put my info in there.

Just one thought -- instead of listing the mg of Vit C you're dosing, it would make it easier to follow if you list the dose in ppm. Easier to compare results that way.

 

[sellout007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11780433#post11780433 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by driftin
I put my info in there.

Just one thought -- instead of listing the mg of Vit C you're dosing, it would make it easier to follow if you list the dose in ppm. Easier to compare results that way.

I thought about that, but then I thought about if people were saying they were dosing 5ppm and in reality were dosing 50ppm and just never knew it. That way, we have the exact measurement of what is going into the tank.

Ideally we would like both though as it is easier to gather the data. O) Im going to go edit the post if I can.

 

[Vinnie71975]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11777392#post11777392 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
Of course but I wouldn't even know where to start. This is waht Borneman was getting at too. He wouldn't even consider the C, until I pinpointed why my zoas were melting in my tank & his were growing like weeds. Untill I get more data from others as to how their tanks are stocked, I have nothing to compare against & I'm not about to go about tearing apart my tank. It's too perfectly situated. And what about the benefit of the VC to all my other corals & fish?

If its any help at all i was told that the troublemakers in Mixed reef are usually the SPS. they tend to be the ones that "wage chemical war" on the other corals. Just a thought. Hey Puffer can you list all the SPS you have and ill ask my go to guy if any of them are known troublemakers.

 

[Pufferpunk]

Yeah right... like I know the names of them all. I'd have to have a SPS guy come over & identify a few of them. I always blamed the leathers for this.