Treating with Vitamin C

[Pufferpunk]

If you read the article I linked above, it says 8 hours. This is why I dose morning & evening.

 

[Peter Eichler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13047320#post13047320 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
If you read the article I linked above, it says 8 hours. This is why I dose morning & evening.

I would suggest taking many things in that article with a grain of salt. The "article" is little more than an advertisement and has little more than speculation, anecdotal evidence, and is intended for treatment of parasites in fish. Lastly, there are enough things in that article and many other things that Thiel has written that are downright wrong that it casts a lot of doubt on most of his old articles/books. The plugging of his products in his "articles and books" alone is enough to disregard much of what he says. The man was greedy and took advantage of a lot of people in this hobby.

If people want to believe everything in that article, fine... But I think people should understand the source.

 

[Pufferpunk]

I do not believe everything in there--we have already concluded the dosing is wrong & recalculated that. I started dosing a month before I was linked to that article. Still, it is a good source of info & gives me an idea of where to start experimenting w/VC.

 

[Peter Eichler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13048145#post13048145 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
I do not believe everything in there--we have already concluded the dosing is wrong & recalculated that. I started dosing a month before I was linked to that article. Still, it is a good source of info & gives me an idea of where to start experimenting w/VC.

How is it good info when many things are plain wrong or simply a guess.

 

[cvincenti]

Dosing VC in topoff

Dosing VC in topoff

I have been reading this for two days, and I've gotten alot of really good information out of it. Here are my questions (sorry if they've been asked before, but I did not find them).

1. Can VC be dosed as part of top-off? I have a 5 gallon jug hooked to a lifter pump driectly into my sump. Switches turn on/off as needed. I go through almost exactly 1gal per day.

2. Will an appropriate amount equating to 5-days of dosing survive in the water jug for that long without being completely useless at day 5?

3. I dose 2-part B-Ionic Calcium currently. Do i need to suspend this while doing VC dosing?

Thanks.

 

[lastduke]

A question for skimmer performance change....
After the VC is dosed, the fine bubbles are changed to big bubbles, it seems as the VC make the surface tension greater than bofore. Is that possible the dissolved VC adhere on the bubbles and pulled out by the skimmer.
Any discussion about this?

 

[Pufferpunk]

Skimmer does not remove VC. VC helps for better skimmate production. You cannot drip VC, as it starts to break down as soon as it hits water. Continue dosing calcium but you will need to test your alk regurlarly & adjust dosing accordingly.
HTH

 

[lastduke]

Puff, if skimmer doesn not remove VC, why the bubble surface tension changed? something adhere on the surface to change it.
Did anyone try to measure the VC in the water with time elapse

 

[Pufferpunk]

You need to get the VC to a certain dosage, for effectiveness. This won't happen with a drip. There are many suggestionns here, as to why VC helps our skimmer. I forget what they all were. Some say it works in the same way as a carbon.
There are a lot of recent scientific postings in the last few pages of this thread.

 

[Octopus8]

I've dosed Vitamin C powder on two consecutive days without the cloudy water problem I was experiencing last week. Looks like slowly increasing the dose over a longer period of time is doing the trick. I did notice two positives this afternoon after resuming the VC yesterday.

#1 My pink Zoa frag (5 heads) that hasn't opened for several weeks is fully open. The polyp heads don't look terrific, but it's a start.

#2 My Nitrate tested 0 two days in a row. I've never had a nitrate reading below 15 since the initial cycle six months ago.

 

[lastduke]

The skimmer bubbles were changed a lot, which make the collection cup got fulfilled very quick , that is what I don't like, how you guys adjust your skimmer?

 

[Pufferpunk]

What brans of skimmer? I have a ASM & I just lower the output tube, to lower the bubble column in the cup. All skimmers come with some kind of adjustment.

 

[lastduke]

I am using a TurboFlotor T1000 in sump skimmer. Everytime, after I dose, I need to lower the bubble column as low as I can, and still fill the cup every quick. after a couple hours, there is even no bubble can reach the"neck"

 

[JAMDivers]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13053782#post13053782 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Octopus8
I've dosed Vitamin C powder on two consecutive days without the cloudy water problem I was experiencing last week. Looks like slowly increasing the dose over a longer period of time is doing the trick. I did notice two positives this afternoon after resuming the VC yesterday.

#1 My pink Zoa frag (5 heads) that hasn't opened for several weeks is fully open. The polyp heads don't look terrific, but it's a start.

#2 My Nitrate tested 0 two days in a row. I've never had a nitrate reading below 15 since the initial cycle six months ago.

Congrats Octo8! I do believe a slower increase is good

PS- IMOE, I actually do run a fast drip (am/pm) of VC in my tank ....4 cups of RO topoff water to 1/2 tsp (approximately 3 drips/sec). I've still had very good results without just dumping it in.

Only negative effect was when I increased the flowrate of the drip over an Acropora suharsonoi. I lossed it within about 2 hrs (I'm guessing due tp the lowered pH of the solution, as all other water params were and had been stable. Otherwise all else has been great.

Hope this helps

 

[montanabay]

VC should persist in RO water for awhile if the storage device is opaque, after all, it hangs around in OJ for weeks.

 

[lastduke]

funny thing.....while my VC power on the way here, I am still dose the VC pill which is extracted from the acid. tonight I dropped it in the slow flow area by accident, but i didn't take it out just want to observe what the reaction of the live stock.
The fish swim on top it and didn't like it. but the nass snails were interested in the dissolving pill. two of them use their antenna touched the pill and jumped away, but they didn't leave, hung around the pill. It looks like the PH change was not enormous.
I doubled the dose from 5ppm to around 10ppm, the PH didn't change, but alk did dropped a little.

 

[Pufferpunk]

Bump

 

[McLaughlin4]

Just got my VIt-c in the mail today , So how should I start dosing ? My display is a well stocked 60 cube with a 150 gallon rubber maid sump and 30 gallon fuge . Probably about 150-175 gallons all together. So I'm starting from scratch with dosing Vit-c. Where do I start and how much do I go up to and how often do I dose ? Do I mix the powder with freash or salt water? Thanks in Advance James

 

[Pufferpunk]

Drop 1/2 tsp into your sump, 2x/day for 3 days, then up it to 1 tbsp. Raise it by 1/2 tsps weekly, until you get desired results. I'd stop at around 2tsps for a while & see if there is a difference.

Are you treating for any problems?

 

[McLaughlin4]

No just trying to get some good growth and see if the polyps open and extend a little more . 1/2 tspn of powder mix'd in water or just added directly to the sump ?