Tunze Stream control?

[africangrey]

Curt,
Does this mean that PF2 and PF4 won't be used at all? I still need the streams run from 30%-100% power at alternating mode not 100% at all time, thanks for your help.

RND 030/30 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
RND 60/60 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then PM1 PF1
If Timer FO1 = OFF Then PM2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then PM2 PF3
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

 

[disbjohn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11007255#post11007255 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
Do this then:

RND 030/30 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
RND 60/60 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM1 OFF

Curt

I don't get the 1st 2 timers for F01. It will turn PM1 On then Off right away? Is this a typo?

 

[clp]

You are right there was a typo in the original program; it should be:

RND 030/30 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
RND 60/60 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM1 ON
If Timer FO1 = OFF Then PM1 PF1
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then PM1 PF2
If Timer FO1 = OFF Then PM2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM2 PF3
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then PM2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

Curt

 

[africangrey]

Thanks Curt, I'll try this out when I get home tonight, at the mean time if anyone else has tried please let us know how this new language work out.
This program seems so complicated for me, the logic for the RND statement throw me off quite a bit, still can't figure when the FO1 is on what the stream will do and like wise for FO2. Are FO1 and FO2 synchronized at all?

 

[clp]

No, FO1 and FO2 are not synchronized. They are just randomly turning on and off at different periods, and are used to select which mode the pump will run in. If you want it more deterministic use the OSC statement instead of the RND statement.

Basically this three statements determine how the pump will operate:

If Timer FO1 = ON Then PM1 ON
If Timer FO1 = OFF Then PM1 PF1
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then PM1 PF2

The last true statement is the one that is going be executed on PM1. There are 4 possible states for FO1 & FO2. They are:

FO1 FO2 -> PM1 Mode
OFF OFF -> PF2
ON OFF -> PF2
OFF ON -> PF1
ON ON -> ON

Curt

 

[africangrey]

Thanks Curt,
My streams lost the ability to synchronize for wave mode with the new program you just suggested
here is what I get
PM1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
PM2
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3

Then both streams would then be on the whole time. I don't get alternate on / off cycle between the two pumps. What did I do wrong, this time. Is there interference somewhere?

Spencer

 

[clp]

With the 2 OSC statements above, and then timer statements, there are 3 modes of operation. From the current program they are:

FO1 FO2 -> PM1 Mode, PM2 Mode
-------------------------------------------
OFF OFF -> PF2, PF4
ON OFF -> PF2, PF4
OFF ON -> PF1, ON
ON ON -> ON, PF3

I'm cunfused as to what you want it to do, so I'm not sure how to help you out. If you want more than 3 different modes then you'll have make another dummy timer name. Specify when it is on and off, and then enable that 4th mode with 'If Timer FO3 = ON' Then PMX PFX.

Curt

 

[Chicago]

not to bust in .. but looks like posters here have some good programs.

can someone post or pm me a good program for using four streams.

tank is 8 feet long .. sps dominated.. looking to create waves and surges to calm at night..

the streams face each other on oppisit walls of the tank..

thanks

 

[Chicago]

little help.. here is a program i was testing out.. simply want streams on one side to go one for 30 seconds.. then off while the streams on the otherside are on for 30 seconds.. does this work.. ??

by the way how does the "int" work.. does the pump acutually go off or as i have it in the "off state" is it running at 30%?

looks as if in watching my streams they never really go off..??

thanks


If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM1 PF1
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM2 PF1
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM3 PF2
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM4 PF2
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM1 PF3
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM2 PF3
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM3 PF4
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM4 PF4
Pmp MODE sd for PF1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 30/30/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE Sd for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 00/30/30 for PF2
Pmp MODE sd for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF3
Pmp OSC 50/90/00 for PF3
Pmp MODE Sd for PF4
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/90/50 for PF4

 

[disbjohn]

yes it runs at 30% then at 100%. You shouldn't run it lower than 30% unless you actually set the value to 0%.

Those statements look correct to me. Try setting the low value to 0% and then you can tell if it is alternating properly.

 

[africangrey]

Hi Curt,
All I want the Aquasurf to do is to turn one on for 30 mins while another is completely off for 30 mins then vise versa, spend another 30 mins in the wave mode. The program you provided doesn't stop the pump completely.
Spencer

 

[Chicago]

thanks for the help... can you help out one more time...

how does the " int" work.. does it increase with each cycle or does it start at the min and go to the max with each time it is on?

 

[Chicago]

did the int 000/100

but no go.. they try to start but dont..

so back at the 030/100 for int

other thoughts?

who has good program out there for four streams on large tank

thanks

 

[Deleted member 143833]

I might have a program which you may be able to adopt depending on what type of flow you are trying to accomplish. Are you running the 4 pumps separately (to create random flows) or are you cycling between the left and right pumps (e.g., 2 left pumps on/off. 2 right pumps off/on)

 

[Chicago]

at this point i am trying everything.. yes i have 2 on the left and 2 on the right.. i really cant get a wave going.. or i think i cant as the returns on the tank are also coming from the left and right and they themselves create a large wave from each end that crash into each other in the middle to form a downward surge to the bottom of the tank .. they actualy pull large air bubbles down.. i would appreciate the programing to try and see what happens..

thanks

 

[Deleted member 143833]

Below is the program that I use for 2 6201 Tunze placed opposing one another in a 180 G (6 ft tank). With this program I am getting 2 1 inch waves (I prefer 2 smaller rather than 1 large wave). You should be able to change the Int statements to about 017/018 (for a large wave).

The program works as follows:

WV1 left 6201
WV2 right 6201

VHO (110 W actinics) on, left pump in PF1, right in PF2
MhD (halides on), left pump PF3, right PF4
VHO Off (night mode), left pump PH5, right PH6


Since you have 2 pumps on each side you would need to add statements for the second pump on each side based on your timer names; copy the 'If Timer' statements and edit timer names to match your pumps.

let me know what you get and I will try and help.

note: you can change the OSC, left hand number to 000 and that will stop the pump in the off cycle; this moved HUGE amounts of water depending on which Tunze you have.

If Timer VHO = ON Then WV1 PF1
If Timer VHO = ON Then WV2 PF2
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 030/075 for PF1
Pmp OSC 04/08/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/075 for PF2
Pmp OSC 00/08/04 for PF2
If Timer MHD = ON Then WV1 PF3
If Timer MHD = ON Then WV2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF3
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 04/08/00 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/08/04 for PF4
If Timer VHO = OFF Then WV1 PF5
If Timer VHO = OFF Then WV2 PF6
Pmp MODE sD for PF5
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF5
Pmp OSC 04/08/00 for PF5
Pmp MODE SD for PF6
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF6
Pmp OSC 00/08/04 for PF6

 

[clp]

Chicago,
I recommend that you shut off your return pumps while trying to find the resonate frequency of your tank. It will make it much easier to see if you have constructive interference to generate a wave. Also I'd just do this test with only one tunze.

Curt

 

[jglackin]

Curt,

Thank you for the help today. Everything is now working great. I am using the below program for a 60" tank with a Tunze 6055 at each end facing each other. I am getting good random flow, as my dendros' polyps are showing random swirling movement. It is not only better for the corals, it looks more natural.

If you, or anyone, sees a better way for me to tweak this for maximum flow, please chime in.

OSC 060/180 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
OSC 180/060 ON/OFF Then FOO ON
OSC 120/120 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU1 PF2
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 024/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

 

[Chicago]

great thanks.. by the way.. are we positioning the pumps as close to the surface as possible.

also.. if the int is set at 000/100.. is this bad for the pump as it is turning on and off actually numerous times.. in otherwords harder on the pump... i think i remeber reading this in a tunze forum.

thanks again

 

[Deleted member 143833]

I asked the Tunze person (Roger) and he indicated that it is OK to go to 0% but bad to do anything from 1% - 29%. he references the Wave Box which goes from 0-100% continuously.

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