UPDATE of your ONYX clowns

[jesusfreak316]

FFFrog have they spwaned yet? Where did you get them? How much? I love the Onyx clown!!!!!

 

[Reefbone]

saltwaterfish.com seems to have these in stock... nobody ever order from them?

 

[shred5]

as far as i know, rodsreef.com is the only person i know that is breeding and selling onyx in the us.

hopefully im wrong but no other breeder im aware of with high quality onyx.

http://www.rods-reef.com/liveStock.php?pID=2

Thats actually right.. Also inland has them... There are a few small bredders that are carying them to...

live aquaria does not sell true onyx clowns.....

Dave

 

[phender]

.....live aquaria does not sell true onyx clowns.....

Dave

That is a little misleading. If you consider Onyx a brand name coined by C-quest, then I guess only clowns from their original stock could be considered Onyx. However, C-quest did not invent this color variant. The coloration does exist in wild caught clowns, including the black dorsal fin.
I have seen percula clowns from liveaquaria that everyone(including Rod ) would consider the onyx color morph. I have no way of knowing if ALL the clowns they sell as onyx would fit the definition of what most people consider onyx, (black completely connecting all three white bars and for some purists, a black dorsal fin) but to say they don't sell true onyx clowns is not really accurate.

 

[shred5]

That is a little misleading. If you consider Onyx a brand name coined by C-quest, then I guess only clowns from their original stock could be considered Onyx. However, C-quest did not invent this color variant. The coloration does exist in wild caught clowns, including the black dorsal fin.

I do... This is a charecteristic they bred into that fish or a genetic defect and yes they did coin the name...This is the way it has always been told to me anyway...But this is also what makes a rare fish rare and the same with a coral.. Even though a coral might not be rare but a color morph might be.... I do think the onyx is not so rare anymore though....

I have seen percula clowns from liveaquaria that everyone(including Rod ) would consider the onyx color morph. I have no way of knowing if ALL the clowns they sell as onyx would fit the definition of what most people consider onyx, (black completely connecting all three white bars and for some purists, a black dorsal fin) but to say they don't sell true onyx clowns is not really accurate. [/B]

The ones they sell are wild caught and dont have as much black... Of coarse even some of the ones Rod and inland have produce defective offspring were the colors are not complete... There seems to be a few more defects to since we are getting farther down the generation ladder... Happens when you breed brother and sister.. but hey it makes for a different looking fish.

Dave

 

[phender]

...The ones they sell are wild caught and dont have as much black... Of coarse even some of the ones Rod and inland have produce defective offspring were the colors are not complete... There seems to be a few more defects to since we are getting farther down the generation ladder... Happens when you breed brother and sister.. but hey it makes for a different looking fish.
Dave

First let me say that Rod's fish are great, and that I could care less if anyone buys fish from liveaquaria. I also think that anytime you have a choice between WC and TR, you should take the tank raised. But......
What you have said is a sweeping generalization and is not always true. Some of liveaquaria's fish and wild caught fish in general, have just as much black as Rod's or Inland's and some have even more black. Do a search in the Gallery and type in onyx. The two pairs of fish that have the most black on them are both wild caught.

 

[Atticus]

I have owned WC onyx with more black than Rod's pair. I got mine from a LFS owner that picked it up in a Chicago wholesaler for me. They are not genetic mutations, just a color variant. As we are seeing with Rod's fish the "Purist" version does not even breed true.

 

[EMBRYOGUY]

Atticus,

very true. its just rods are more stable and dependalbe. with WC is a chance you have to take. and if your lucky you ll get an onyx with alot of black, quite possible more than rods but for that price. i dont want to take a chance. i have more a a chance to attain the full black that i seek with rods. and his appear to be healthier. most of the problems ive seen in onyx are thru wc onyx

 

[shred5]

It depends if you are a true collector and/or wants some thing rare or not, some people don't and just like the coloration and don't mind something that looks similar...

Its like buying a picture.. some people have to have a original and some are ok with a copy, but copys are cheaper...

Take the Tyree LE purple monster for example..... It cost a lot of money and allot people want a frag of it... Does that mean there are not corals coming in from the wild that are the same, sure there are... But one of the original should command a higher price and some people don't mind paying that price for something rare or a collectors piece.... Some people don't want to pay that price and are happy with a coral that looks similar.. their choice...

I know alot of people would be angry if someone sold them a Tyree le purple monster frag for 150 bucks and it turned out someone sold them a frag of something off a wild frag they got that looked similar...

All I am saying is the onyx clowns that Liveaquaria are selling are not the true onyx clown ....... I think most people that collect rare fish will agree...

 

[EMBRYOGUY]

good comment shred

 

[phender]

I think your example makes my point better than yours.
Tyree's Purple Monster is a collected coral. Steve Tyree didn't selectively breed this coral. To my knowledge the Purple Monster has never been IDed and another one like it has never been collected. That is why it is rare and special. Are there other purple acropora? yes. Are they this exact species? No. And that is why you can't get one in the next shipment of WC corals.

C-quest named a color variant that already occured in nature. There is nothing special about them. If I have TR yellow striped maroons and I start calling them "Trojan" maroons, does that make mine special?
Do C-quest onyx breed true? Mostly, although I am seeing a few in this thread that look pretty old and still don't have enough black to be onyx. Do trueblackpercula's (now MarinaP's) WC pair breed true? Yes. Why are they not onyx?

Are you telling me that if I get a pair of clowns from LiveAquaria and they look like this:

they are not true onyx clowns? And yes, some of LiveAquarias fish do look like this, some don't look this nice (but almost all have black connecting the white bars)
Are you saying that rare fish collectors would not consider these fish true onyx clowns? Maybe I am missing what you are trying to say? Are you saying that LiveAquaria is not reliable in what they send you? Or are you saying that WC percs that are almost totally black cannot, by your definition, be considered onyx?

 

[EMBRYOGUY]

its all about personal taste. if your happy with your fish thats fine.

ive posted many threads about onyx from LA and NO one has had a pair live past 1 yr. atleast no one has bothered to say so.
also, there are many many that have bought from rod and with no disease issues, whereas ive often read of those buying from LA and having to treat there clowns when they get them.

i will be happy to say im wrong. but if anyone has a pair from LA past 1 yr please reply.

for me, if im going to pay alot for a fish i would like to know it has a better chance of surviving and developing the coloration i want.
wc onyx. from LA is a hit or miss. and i just dont wnat to spend the money on that odds.

if you get a great pair from LA/WC than great for you. please post pics after a year.

 

[MarinaP]

Are you saying that rare fish collectors would not consider these fish true onyx clowns? Maybe I am missing what you are trying to say? Are you saying that LiveAquaria is not reliable in what they send you? Or are you saying that WC percs that are almost totally black cannot, by your definition, be considered onyx?

Embryoguy,

You have not addressed one single question from phender.

 

[phender]

Embryoguy,
It is a given that TR fish are much healthier than wild caught. WC percs of any variety are very delicate and most, if not all, get brook and have internal parasites soon after they come in. Many online vendors guarantee all their clowns except WC percs and ocellaris.
I'm not sure if you are going to find a lot of people with onyx from LA that have lasted over a year, because I don't think they have been offering them for much more than a year or so.
I don't disagree with anything you have said in your above posts, and I have enjoyed seeing the pics of everybody's clowns, WC and TR, in your thread.
I'm just trying to figure out what Shred meant when he said that:

onyx clowns that Liveaquaria are selling are not the true onyx clown ....... I think most people that collect rare fish will agree..

 

[trueblackpercula]

phender

why is my picture being used with out permission?
Just kidding and \IMO they are trueblackperculas onxy but now live with MarinaP

 

[MarinaP]

trueblackperculas onxy but now live with MarinaP

That's it, Michael. You came up with new scientific name

 

[phender]

I know you are just kidding Michael. But, I was concerned about putting up your picture. I noticed you had already posted it to this thread, so I figured it would be OK. Thank you for your understanding.

 

[TippyToeX]

Interesting thread. I just recently acquired a pair of "onyx" clowns. I would like to hear more of this addressed:

Originally posted by phender

Are you saying that rare fish collectors would not consider these fish true onyx clowns? Maybe I am missing what you are trying to say? Are you saying that LiveAquaria is not reliable in what they send you? Or are you saying that WC percs that are almost totally black cannot, by your definition, be considered onyx?

My pair, two weeks in QT now.

 

[trueblackpercula]

MarinaP
How about this "MarinaPTrueblackperculas/onxy" or for short
MarinaP's TBP onxy

 

[trueblackpercula]

"phender I know you are just kidding Michael. But, I was concerned about putting up your picture. I noticed you had already posted it to this thread, so I figured it would be OK. Thank you for your understanding. "

I am glade to see that someone is using them What every pictures I have is fine to use no complaints here