Updated Photos of 2 Gallon Cube

Thanks guys!
I love this tank and it is a huge hit around the office, but the best thing of all is having the approval of your friends in the hobby!
Things are still going awesome. The mantis was peeking out of his cave today - hopefully he gets braver as time goes on. Looks like he ate 4 tiny hermits. I was also able to give him some krill today. Talk to you soon,

- Chad
 
Hi Chad,

I've been following this thread and all your others on rc and n-r.com for quite a while and no matter how many times I look at them they take my breath away. I unfortunately made the mistake of showing my houesmates and my tank immediately became the subject of ridicule :(

As a result of this I've decided to try something similar myself (imitation being the sincerest form of flattery) and I was wondering if you could help me with a couple of issues which I can't find in the thread.

As I'm based in the UK I doubt I'll be able to get hold of the same model of dosing pump as you have but could you let me know the name/type of pump and any specifications you know I'd be eternally grateful!

The other issue is overheating. I'm planning on using almost the exact same equipment as you (I already have an Eheim 2222 and a 70W 20k bulb) does the temperature ever get out of control or does the fully open top, high surface area to volume ration and distance from the bulb keep everything in check?

Sorry for asking so amny questions. In case you're interested our variant is a cylindrical tank on a rotating stand (and yes the rotating inlet/outlet connector is an utter pain!)

Thanks in advance,

Ed
 
Ejls,

First of all, to answer your questions:
I don't remember exactly what brand my pump is, but I will check when I get to work. Do a search on Ebay for "metering pump" or "dosing pump" or "diaphram pump" you will see some different models come up like "Prominent" and "Milton Roy". Start searching them out at their homesites and find what output each model is rated at. Estimate (or measure) how much your tank will evaporate in a day and then find the pump that comes closest. The difficulty will be to find a pump with a very low output (most of them will be overkill). You will find that generally the pumps that have the highest pressure rating will have the lowest outputs. They are all very adjustable and any pump will work but you might need to turn it down, or even use a timer so that it only runs (doses) for part of the day. If you have your heart set on having the pump run continually, you will need to buy one of the LCD display models that give you the option of switching from "strokes mer minute" to "strokes per hour" - normally a dosing pump will stroke once per minute on the lowest setting. But that is still 60 strokes per hour. To give you an idea, my dosing rate is currently set on 12 strokes per hour!
Here is an example of a pump that would work (but that price doesn't work): http://cgi.ebay.com/LOW-FLOW-CHEMIC...865704858QQcategoryZ46547QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
These pumps are hard core, for use in labs and manufacturing - they are built to way!!! higher standard than any piece of fish equipment I've ever seen. That will lead to peace of mind - but also an empty wallet...

As for overheating - you will not have a problem as long as you don't try and put your lighting in a canopy or close it in. I have always said (and no one really listens), that metal halide is the coolest form of lighting! This 2gal tank with 70watts of halide (35w/gal) is way cooler than my 90gal tank with 220watts of power compact (2.5 w/gal)! The reason for this is, in order for fluorescent lighting to penetrate, it has to sit right on top of the tank - thereby blocking the flow of air. My halide sits about 7 inches from the top of the tank and none of the heat from the bulb makes it to the tank; infact, if you hold your hand at the water surface the only warmth you can feel is from the radiant energy (like the sun on a warm day). One of my submersible lights has burned out in my 'fuge and since then my temp has only been 74 degrees - I am looking forward to when the replacement bulb arrives so that I can bring the temp up a bit.
I hope this answers your questions!

As for your project of a cylinder tank on a turntable - I am really excited to see how it goes!!! Infact my current setup is only a concession that I made to my wife - my real plans were an acrylic cylinder tank on a motorized turtable that slowly rotated by its self.
My plan was to have the tank on a table attched to a lazy susan bearing (http://www.awsc-online.com/ContentL_a.htm) which was also connected to a hanging basket or harness under the counter. I would bolt a servo or stepper motor (http://www.alltronics.com/stepper_motors.htm) to the underside of the counter and have the driveshaft sticking up through a hole to make contact with a spur gear (http://www.qtcgears.com/RFQ/default.asp?Page=../KHK/newgears/KHK114_2.html) attached to the bottom of the turntable. The motor would rotate the lazy susan w/ tank and also the basket underneath that held the cannister filter. The electrical cord for the cannister filter and pond lights would stick out of the bottom of the basket where it would be connected to my power sourse via a rotating coupler (http://www.power-delivery.com/photos.php),.
As I said, a rotating cylinder tank was my dream and I am really excited to see how it works out for you. If you have the werewithall to make it motorized, well then I hope some of the research I did can be put to good use ;). I think you will find that a rotating inlet/outlet plumbing connecter will be very difficult (if not impossible!). Your best bet is to have the whole setup turn and only worry about rotating your power sourse. In that case, the electrical coupler will probably still be your answer whether you go motorized or hand-powered.
I look forward to seeing how it goes!

Sorry for any mistakes, I was typing in a frenzy. And sorry for the long post everyone :(

- Chad
 
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Wow, that's a very detailed set of answers! Thanks!

I've sent enquiries to a few British and German companies who make dosing pumps and a couple have got back to me. One even thinks they maight have an old unwarrantied unit they could let me have for not very much. Failing that I might have to resort to ebay!

Your design sounds wonderful. Very complicated though. I've actually designed a couple of of rotating joints already. They are simple but a bit fiddly to build. However I've been in contact with a couple of companies who build rotating unions for use in industrial applications. One design in particular uses aluminium chanels and should be acceptable for marine use. Obviously it's not ideal but I'm going to give it a goand see how it pans out. They claim to have used this model for years with saltwater and not had problems so it should be okay.

The downside is that the tank will have to sit on a raised platform. It'll probably be about 4 inches thick. I wanted it thinner but I think that would be prohibitively expensive given the water flow I require.

Now I just have to sort out a tank :( Custom acrylic setups are rather hard to come by on this side of the pond. It looks like I'm either going to have to import from the states or buy a glass flower vase and drill it myself.

I'll start a new thread on this once I get the components. THanks once again for all your help. I'll keep you posted on how it pans out.

Cheers,

Ed
 
Sounds good.

I have posted some more pictures in the mantis forum but here was a nice one that I'd thought I'd share here:

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I think he is quite a handsome character.

- Chad
 
Thanks guys! I am extremely pleased with how well he has worked out. I will try and get some video of him feeding but so far he is a shy eater. I leave work and there are hermit crabs in the tank, but when I get back in the morning there are only broken shells.

... I'll catch him at it one of these days.

- Chad
 
Thanks ejls. And you're exactly right, I don't know if I would have gotten a mantis if I had to go get a whole new tank for it.
Cheers,

- Chad
 
On the rotating thing, I have an idea. Maybe you could modify a rotating christmas tree stand to work with this. I know they make them for artificial trees, but I don't know how much they cost. Just something to look into.

~Brian
 
Just to add on, I found by searching that a standard strand of 100 mini
Christmas tree lights uses 40 watts, so 1,000 would be 400 watts potentially, and 2,000 would be 800 watts potentially.

~Brian
 
Brian,
Looks good. The rotating part isn't the hard part though. The hard part is how would you connect it to a cannister filter and have it rotate?

- Chad
 
ninjafish said:
The hard part is how would you connect it to a cannister filter and have it rotate?

I've thought about this too. I think the best way would be to have the Canister as a part of the rotations also. I would try to build a stand around the rotating Christmas Tree stand, so I could have a hidden shelf inside for equipment to be on and rotating with the tank. The problems with this, however, are that this would increase the overall weight, and you can't go over 150 pounds. I think it is still very doable though, especially for a tank under 10 gallons. My other thought is that if you can support the tank in some other manner (like put the stand you're building around the rotating Christmas tree stand on casters), you could take a lot of the weight off of the rotating device and go above the weight limit, so all the rotating device would have to do is provide the power for rotation, not support the entire weight of the setup.

I actually think I might try this at some point, although it will be a while before I'll have the time and resources to do so.

~Brian
 
Daargh, I feel like a thread-jacker now! Evil rotatey spinny thing... ;)

Thanks for all the ideas guys, I agree with you both that somehow having the cannister and tank rotate at the same speed would be the easiset way to do it, unfortunately like Chad I want to have this on my desk in the office and I need to hide the cannister filter in a filing cabinet undernrneath. While these systems could be made to work in that setting they wouldn't be reliable enough. Can you imagine what would happen if the canister were to jam while the tank was rotating? I really don't want to know how long it takes to drain 2USG of water through a 1/2" hose :(

I've been in contact trying to order one of these:

http://www.dynamicsealing.com/gp_2-passage_unions.html

I'll let you all know how I get on, but I'll make a new thread so as not to seem to be trying to divert attention away from Chad's stunning tank.

Thanks once again to all of you,

Ed
 
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