Urgent Opinons Needed with Butterfly

[cayenne]

I received this longnose butterfly on Friday. He has been in QT since arrival. When he came in, it looked like he had a pretty bad case of lymphocystis. He has been on Prazipro for going on 36 hrs now...

I woke up this morning to find the lower out of the three growth bleeding slightly and he has a little blood at the corner of his mouth. I don't have high hopes for the little guy, but open to any opinions.

I haven't done a FW dip, but I am prepared to do so, I just don't want to stress him out more if it isn't going to help.

 

[discusone]

Landen,

No,doesn't look good.Prazipro does nothing for lympho,but is a good preventive med for flukes/internal parasites.

Lympho generally takes care of itself with good water conditions and healthy diet,The freshwater dip at this point is useless.

This Bly has a serious bacterial infection,and is usually fatal for most Bflys in short order.

At this point all you can do is to do several water changes,say,25%,daily,and treat with Maracyn-Two.The issue will be wether you are dealing with a gram-neg or a gram-pos.infection.No way to know without lab work,which is obviously not practical.To bad,as they are normally bulletproof Bflys.Good luck.

 

[JHemdal]

Landen,

I don't see an obvious course of action, but here are some observations:

The lower lesion looks like it could be Uronema - but there is no way to confirm this without taking a skin scrape and looking at it under a microscope....look for motile pear-shaped ciliates. The problem is that visually, there is no real difference between bacterial and Uronema lesions (in fact you can have both at the same time) but the treatments for these are completely different - antibiotics or chloroquine.

That lower lesion looks deep - if it breaches the body cavity, the fish won't survive.

The mouth lesion is also consitant with Uronema. The white lesions higher up on the side don't strike a familar chord with me. Could be Lymphocystis, but that is an odd spot for it.

Is the fish undergoing hyposalinity? That often results in Uronema infections.

I don't see anything that would indicate that the Prazipro is involved in this at all.


Jay

 

[discusone]

Looking at your pics again,she is also severely undernourished.is she eating anything?

 

[discusone]

Jay,

At this point,would you euthanize?.

 

[cayenne]

Isn't undergoing hypo and is only eating a little. Probably isn't eating nearly enough, I agree it doesn't look good.

 

[cayenne]

Poor guy didn't make it. The hemorrhaging continued and all of the lesions got worse. Looked like possible internal bleeding. At the end he couldn't even swim without the assistance of water flow.

 

[JHemdal]

Sorry to hear that. I still wonder if it was Uronema. Did it seem like that lower lesion erupted upwards to the skin's surface, or did it seem to start on the skin and appear to go deeper?

J

 

[cayenne]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13947089#post13947089 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JHemdal
Sorry to hear that. I still wonder if it was Uronema. Did it seem like that lower lesion erupted upwards to the skin's surface, or did it seem to start on the skin and appear to go deeper?

J

It seemed that the lesion grew upwards from the skin, but at the same time it was obviously getting deeper as well.

The BFly was also in QT with a pair of anthias so I am a little worried about them at this point...

 

[JHemdal]

Landen,

That is consistent with how Uronema lesions frequently grow. Anthias are also prone to this problem, so it bears wathcing. HOWEVER, Uronema can be isolated from just about every aquarium, so I would not rush out and try some treatment unless the Anthias start to show symptoms. The butterfly may have just been weakened in some way (emaciated?) that predisposed it to this problem....

Jay