URGENT! Sick Clownfish? Please help!

tref2010

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Does he look sick? Just started doing it this morning. I put the net near him today and he swam away just fine and did not have any trouble. When I walk up to the tank quickly he swims in place.

He has a small string thing coming from his underside. I dont know what that is. You can kind of see it in the video.

salinity: 1.021
ammonia: 0 (or very close to it)
nitrite: 3.0 (i'm trying to lower it)
Temp: 74-75 F
He is about 2.5 weeks old and has never done anything like this.
Please help!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkZbIGuSBfw
 
Yes, he is sick. However, can you provide more info? How long ago did you get the fish, did he look like this when you got it?

From the limited data given, it looks to me like a captive bred true perc that is either: A. suffering from ammonia burn, B. suffering from Brookynella or perhaps some sort of Dinoflagellate like Amyloodinium.

Again, I need more info, how long has the tank been up, where did he come from etc. Also, I didn't have the volume up on my computer but it sounded like there was some noise/music in the room. Did you add that to the video or was it being played in the room? If it was in the room then that is a huge source of stress for the fish, primarily if it is new to the tank and even more so if it is alone.

At this point I would advise bringing the temp up to 80 F and dropping the salinity to 1.012, possibly treating with a formalin/malachite based medication. However before you dose with that please try and give more info.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
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I just watched the video again, and I am more inclined to say the fish is suffering from Ammonia burn and likely pH shock. The fact that the fishes slime coat appears to be sloughing off, its equillibrium is off and it is so thin that I can see the spine all convince me further that pH and ammonia shock may have damaged the capillaries around the swim bladder and kidneys resulting in the fishes current condition. Absolutely lower the salinity, if nothing else taking some of the osmotic stress off the fish for the time being may buy some time to address to other issues. Furthermore, adding some methyl blue can help alleviate the stress from nitrogen toxicity.
 
Yes, hen is sick. However, can you provide more info? How long ago did you get the fish, did he look like this when you got it?

From the limited data given, it looks to me like a captive bred true perc that is either: A. suffering from ammonia burn, B. suffering from Brookynella or perhaps some sort of Dinoflagellate like Amyloodinium.

Again, I need more info, how long has the tank been up, where did he come from etc. Also, I didn't have the volume up on my computer but it sounded like there was some noise/music in the room. Did you add that to the video or was it being played in the room? If it was in the room then that is a huge source of stress for the fish, primarily if it is new to the tank and even more so if it is alone.

At this point I would advise bringing the temp up to 80 F and dropping the salinity to 1.012, possibly treating with a formalin/malachite based medication. However before you dose with that please try and give more info.

Good luck and keep us posted.
The tank has been set up and running for about 2 months. I do not know how old the clownfish is. He was at petco for about a week so I chose him. I have had him for about 2 weeks. He was very healthy and eating and swimming around until this morning. The noise in the room was from my tv, my camera has a terrible microphone. The tv is not very loud in person (I don't know why it sounds so loud on the camera.)
 
No filter? Plastic plants? A bridge? REALLY? Not to discourage you, but unless you're going to CARE about the animals you keep and do the PROPER research on setting up a saltwater aquarium, then stop keeping saltwater fish. Freshwater fish can handle stuff like that, but saltwater fish are MUCH more delicate. Do the fish a favor and take them back to where ever you got them and see if they'll keep them, then PROPERLY set up a saltwater aquarium and learn how to care saltwater fish. Once you've done so, you can have fish again. No offense, but I began this hobby when I was 10-years-old and I was able to take the time to learn how to set up and sustain a proper saltwater tank. If I was able to do that anyone should be able to.

I don't mean to offend you or discourage you from this hobby, but if you're going to keep these animals at least learn to care for them. Would you like it if somebody stuck you in a glass box with synthetic trees, carbon dioxide filled air, a bridge that has harmful chemicals on it and no air circulation? Please stay in this hobby, but only if you are willing to spend the time and money to set up a tank properly and care for the animals.
 
yeah man, well main problem i see is that there is no flow, there is no OXYGEN in the water either. i agree with weavlewaffle. live rock actual filter. go to the newb page.
 
Im not sure what you guys are talking about. I have a azoo mignon protein skimmer, whisper i10 filter, air pump, I have 1 plastic plant (I was told by LFS that this is fine). The bridge is in there for a hiding place (should I remove this?). The bridge was used in old fish tanks and was extensively washed (No chemicals used to wash it).
All of my other fish are thriving and active along with my hermit crabs. Waffle that was a little offensive how you attacked me without much information.
 
You need to do a 100% waterchange. Your ammonia must have been off the charts two days ago. Come back in the morning with an update and test results.
 
WaffleWaffle22 & pnavarro: Aside from inaccurate observations regarding the filter/water current, your responses are uncalled for. tref2010 is here asking for help, instead of flaming him, why not recognize that he is trying to do his best. There is not a single one of us in the hobby who has not inadvertently brought an animal to its untimely demise due to a mistake or lack of knowledge. It is an unfortunate part of the hobby that can be minimized through help and advice from more expereinced aquarists. IF this is to much for you, then simply do not reply to the thread, your negativity is neither productive nor wanted. Please keep this in mind. Thank you.

Tref2010, please ignore the nay-sayers, I am glad you are asking for help and I will do anything I can for you. From what I can see in the video it looks like your tank has a sand substrate, HOB filter and pre-set heater, is this correct?

In regards to the decor, while I personally do not find the plastic plant and bridge attractive, my opinion nor that of any one elses matters. They are not harmful to your fish, and in fact both of those objects may well serve as a perfect territory/host for your clownfish. Furthermore, the filtration you have is adequate, especially with the yellow tail damsel and juvie CB Percula clown. I often times keep BREEDING pairs of clownfish in a 5g tank with nothing more than a sponge filter and flower pot to host in, I even have a few pairs hosting in Sierra Nevada Pale Ale Bottles (One of my favorite brews..).

Now, to get back to the problem at hand. You say you got your Percula from Petco, while this in itslef is not a crime it can be risky. Of course, buying any fish from anywhere is risky. However, my understanding is that Petco employees cannot use copper etc. in their systems due to corporate policy, but this is not a place for that debate. So, it is very possible that the fish was exposed to a host of pathogens at the store, and it may just now be showing. It is also possible that the Percula picked something up from the damsel in there. Impossible to say.

However, since you have said the fish was eating and otherwise seemed healthy until this morning I think we can rule out ammonia/pH poisoning. This typically occurs in transit and while it may not fully manifest for up to a week, it is unlikely that transit stress is the problem. At this point I feel fairly confident in diagnosing the fish with a bacterial infection, or possibly a secondary bacterial infection induced by a protozoa/parasite and or stress.

While many of the symptoms I can see would indicate Brookynella, I am not sure that it is in fact Brook.

I need a few more answers to help as much as I can, so please answer the following questions:

1. It appears that there is some undisolved salt on the rock the fish is hovering above in the picture, is that what I am seeing? If so, did you add salt directly to the tank?

2. What and how often have you been feeding the fish?

3. When did you get the damsel?

4. Do you have any pics/vids of the fish either from when you first got it or from the last few days, before it began displaying the illness?

5. What is your water change schedule.

Answer all these questions the best you can, and provide any other info you can and I am sure we can get it ironed out. And we will get you on the right track for success.
 
my bad saw the other video. well i would put in some live rock also. take out fake anything.

Ok thanks for the suggestions I removed everything fake from the tank. The rock the fish was laying on was live rock. I will add more asap. I also added a larger (Strip stone) air stone to the tank. It had a small blue one before.

I have lowered the salinity to 1.019 and my ammonia levels are showing up yellow (0) in testing.
I added another heater to the tank in an attempt to raise the temperature to 80 F.
Good news he is swimming around as of 8:00 Eastern time. I have not seen him lay down sideways within the last 30 minutes. However, he is still staying close to the rock.
 
Oh and tref2010, do you have the readouts from any water tests you have done over the past week?

I would not advise a 100% water change just yet, if this is a nitrogen toxicity based issue the 100% water change may be too much for the fish, especially if the water has not been mixing and oxygenated for the last 24hrs.
 
MarinaP, I absolutely concure that No2 at 3ppm is too high, however I had suggested against the full water change until he answers the questions I asked due to my concern that a pH change could well be the end of the line for this fish. I was not trying to argue or invalidate you advice, not by any means, so I apologize if it came off that way. Not how I intended it.
 
WaffleWaffle22 & pnavarro: Aside from inaccurate observations regarding the filter/water current, your responses are uncalled for. tref2010 is here asking for help, instead of flaming him, why not recognize that he is trying to do his best. There is not a single one of us in the hobby who has not inadvertently brought an animal to its untimely demise due to a mistake or lack of knowledge. It is an unfortunate part of the hobby that can be minimized through help and advice from more expereinced aquarists. IF this is to much for you, then simply do not reply to the thread, your negativity is neither productive nor wanted. Please keep this in mind. Thank you.

Tref2010, please ignore the nay-sayers, I am glad you are asking for help and I will do anything I can for you. From what I can see in the video it looks like your tank has a sand substrate, HOB filter and pre-set heater, is this correct?

In regards to the decor, while I personally do not find the plastic plant and bridge attractive, my opinion nor that of any one elses matters. They are not harmful to your fish, and in fact both of those objects may well serve as a perfect territory/host for your clownfish. Furthermore, the filtration you have is adequate, especially with the yellow tail damsel and juvie CB Percula clown. I often times keep BREEDING pairs of clownfish in a 5g tank with nothing more than a sponge filter and flower pot to host in, I even have a few pairs hosting in Sierra Nevada Pale Ale Bottles (One of my favorite brews..).

Now, to get back to the problem at hand. You say you got your Percula from Petco, while this in itslef is not a crime it can be risky. Of course, buying any fish from anywhere is risky. However, my understanding is that Petco employees cannot use copper etc. in their systems due to corporate policy, but this is not a place for that debate. So, it is very possible that the fish was exposed to a host of pathogens at the store, and it may just now be showing. It is also possible that the Percula picked something up from the damsel in there. Impossible to say.

However, since you have said the fish was eating and otherwise seemed healthy until this morning I think we can rule out ammonia/pH poisoning. This typically occurs in transit and while it may not fully manifest for up to a week, it is unlikely that transit stress is the problem. At this point I feel fairly confident in diagnosing the fish with a bacterial infection, or possibly a secondary bacterial infection induced by a protozoa/parasite and or stress.

While many of the symptoms I can see would indicate Brookynella, I am not sure that it is in fact Brook.

I need a few more answers to help as much as I can, so please answer the following questions:

1. It appears that there is some undisolved salt on the rock the fish is hovering above in the picture, is that what I am seeing? If so, did you add salt directly to the tank?

2. What and how often have you been feeding the fish?

3. When did you get the damsel?

4. Do you have any pics/vids of the fish either from when you first got it or from the last few days, before it began displaying the illness?

5. What is your water change schedule.

Answer all these questions the best you can, and provide any other info you can and I am sure we can get it ironed out. And we will get you on the right track for success.

I am very sorry I missed this post!
1) I think that is settled sand on the rock. I never add salt directly to the tank.
2) I have been feeding them a small pinch (aprox 10 pellets) New Life Spectrum Marine Formula Pellets.
3) I got the damsel about a month ago. There are actually two of them.
4) yes this is when I first got the clownfish. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiU_50DP0A
5) Once a week i change about 1 gallon of water. (its a 10 gallon tank)
again im sorry i scrolled past this post!
 
Oh and tref2010, do you have the readouts from any water tests you have done over the past week?

I would not advise a 100% water change just yet, if this is a nitrogen toxicity based issue the 100% water change may be too much for the fish, especially if the water has not been mixing and oxygenated for the last 24hrs.

These are from about 1 week ago:
Nitrite: 4 ppm (very high)
Ammonia: 0
Salinity: 1.024
pH: 8.0 (about)
temp: 74 F
 
Too bad I didn't read this thread earlier, there are bacteria that colonize your fake stuff so if you remove it, there might be a ammonia spike. FWIW, you can add fake stuff into your tank. It will not harm your fish but LR would've been better.

I would do small water changes over the next week to get your nitrite to 0.
 
No worries, I miss stuff all the time.

In the video you jsut posted, it appears as if the fish has some lymphocystis on the caudal fin, it could also be a fungal infection. Hard to say.

At any rate, my suggestions would be as follows:

Vacumn the sand bed to remove any possible cysts if there is a parasite. Lower the salinity to 1.012, and if you do not already have it mixing, get some saltwater mixing ASAP. Also, reduce the feedings for the next while, it sounds like your tank may still be cycling, so we want to reduce any nitrogen imput as much as is feasible. Adding more live rock may well help to jumpstart this process and hopefully remove some of the nitrite.

Also make sure that the damsels are not picking on the clownfish, stress is the last thing it needs at this point. The video you posted of the fish from a few weeks ago was much clearer than the one you posted showing the sickl fish, any chance you can try and get another video of the fish as it is now, hopefully a little clearer?

And again I would suggest some Methyl blue to help ease the nitrite burn, it will also help any fungal infections. I have used it withouy to much trouble with hermit crabs, but not promises.

The ideal situation would be a QT tank, is this possible? All you would need is a 5 or 10 gallon, heater and airstone.

Keep us updated.
 
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