Veteran Reefer and Fish keeper wants to try a big horse and pipe tank

myerst2

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Hello all. I have been keeping reefs and fish for almost twenty years but have never kept horse or pipes. I have a 180 that have some big fish in it, black Tang, crosshatch, Hawaiian Dragon Moray, X-mas Island emperor. So I want to do something different to learn about something new and get me far more interested. So my questions are....

What fish can I keep with horses and pipe fish?

Can I do macro's in the display?

What are a good starter horse?

Where do I get information? Thanks, Tim
 
seahorse.org has detailed list that answer most of your questions. The main difference I saw in seahorse as opposed to a regular reef is the amount of nitrates that are generated by seahorses. There stomachs do not work efficiantly and pass along alot of waste. All of the fish you have listed above would be very bad companions by the way. Thanks, Paul
 
I am currently setting up a 90g w/overflow and sump for Seahorse/Pipefish. Got the tank, stand, sump done, waiting on the lights, return pump for flow, sand. Hope to get some nice tonga branch LR and a variety of macro-algae's soon as well. I guess this counts as a big seahorse tank too compared to those that i have seen :).

I have been researching a lot lately and found seahorse.org to be the best.. i also been talking to a german seahorse keeper..if you look around you will find the compatibility list. You dont want any fish that are fast moving and will compete with the seahorses for food. A
 
Can you start up another tank for seahorses? The inhabitants of your 180 are not at all compatible. A nice size tank would be a standard 55.

What fish can I keep with horses and pipe fish?
You are going to be limited to slow, non-aggressive fish that won't pick at them and won't compete for food. I've even had ocellaris clowns attack seahorses. Over the years, I have kept the following with seahorses: orchid dottyback, blue assessor, Hawaiian leaf fish, watchman goby, bicolor blenny, black sailfin blenny, six line wrasse, waspfish. (There are probably some others that slipped my mind, but you get the idea - not all blennies are safe - some pick at seahorses)

Can I do macro's in the display?
Yes, I had my seahorses in a 55 gallon planted tank with many species of macro as well as hardy leathers, mushrooms and polyps. (Still have that tank, but had to move the seahorses because my green wolf eel blenny was looking at them with a little too much interest.)

What are a good starter horse?
H. erectus, H. reidi. Get captive bred, always. Wild caught are challenging, expert only. CB trained to eat frozen mysis start out healthier, less stressed. I like www.seahorsesource.com if you go with mailorder. A lot of times even good LFS don't have a clue when it comes to seahorses.

I would hold off on pipes until you have a lot more experience with syngnathids. Anectdotally and IME, wild caught animals seem to frequently be symptomless carriers of races of Vibrio that can decimate CB relatives (seahorses OR pipes). Labdoc on seahorse.org is a pathologist and has done numerous necropsies of seahorses that didn't make it. Vibrio is highly implicated in seahorse deaths in captivity.

Another reason to take it slow and keep it simple - seahorses get some really weird diseases that can be hard to treat. I think you can have good success with a seahorse tank, but recommend you start out with just seahorses, then maybe add some compatible fish.

Oh, and for clean up crew, peppermint shrimp are good for cleaning up extra mysis - they control aiptasia and seahorses generally leave the larger ones alone. They will often spawn in captivity, providing a nutritious snack for the seahorses.

Hermit crabs need to be super passive, even little ones have inflicted damage. I only keep scarlet reef hermits with seahorses.

Avoid cleaner shrimp, they stress seahorses by trying to clean them.

Keep good turnover, but nothing like an SPS reef (think lagoon). Direct flow behind rocks, and at the surface. Seahorses are weak swimmers so keep strong flow away from feeding, hitching and courting areas.

Temperatures should be less than 80, mid-70s are best. Some advocate even lower, but IME, mid-70s without abrupt swings are good.

Corals I have kept with seahorses: Capnella, Sinularia, Turbinaria, mushrooms, polyps, zoas, any leather

Avoid - LPS that could trap or eat seahorses (open brain, bubble coral), any aggressive/strong-sting corals, giant clams (they really do close on seahorses, I had this happen in my tank).

Good luck researching and planning your tank.
 
Thank you all for the responses! Especially you lisa, appreciate the time to write that informative essay! By the way I was't planning on keeping the fish I currently have with the horses. I know that much at least. Thanks again. Tim
 
I figured you did, but just wanted to be clear, just in case. Don't take it the wrong way... Good luck with the tank, if you decide to move forward with it.
 
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