Walking away from this hobby
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REAL life comes first bud. Make that bread
One again thanks for all your BAZILLION links they help more than you know.. dont be a stranger
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Scott-CapeCoral
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Haven't snooped around to much lately, so this is news to me. I'm not going to say sorry to hear it, bc it's your choice. You've helped me alot and thanks for that. The regulars will remember, and pass on what you've shared.
Now whos got the side bet going for when he'll return?
Now whos got the side bet going for when he'll return?
Fcamdog
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Take it from me, do yourself a favor and keep your equipment. If you clean everything well and pack it right it'll be ready for you when you are. I was away for 4 years before coming back last year and still am using some of my equipment from back in '05. See you on the flip side,
Fcamdog
Fcamdog
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I totally understand tearing the tanks down for other interests and obligations. It sucks that you have the trifecta being fed up with greed.
But like the others have said, "keep ýour equipment!"
Its a wise idea. I've been out for two years and wish I still had some of my old equipment now that I'm back.
Good luck!
But like the others have said, "keep ýour equipment!"
Its a wise idea. I've been out for two years and wish I still had some of my old equipment now that I'm back.
Good luck!
SIR PATRICK
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Thx for all your time, effort and knowledge that you have shared!!!!
If ya ever get the urge to see a tank after yours all all done, or should I say if you ever get all done ( I see your still holding on to one last tank), let me know! Ill send ya a video!
Charles- your pressence will be missed in the zoa forum when I am cruisin through this winter!!! Keep in touch, however often ya can!
P.s.- your pm box filling monthly during your break??? I know how it goes.
If ya ever get the urge to see a tank after yours all all done, or should I say if you ever get all done ( I see your still holding on to one last tank), let me know! Ill send ya a video!
Charles- your pressence will be missed in the zoa forum when I am cruisin through this winter!!! Keep in touch, however often ya can!
P.s.- your pm box filling monthly during your break??? I know how it goes.
650-IS350
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Thanks for the kind words, enjoying the time away from the forums , not buying any new pieces or checking out websites.
Sux to see here and other forums all these high PP prices , hyping still going on. Agree that its a free country and all but there's also a limit on the realistic prices that should be on a piece of a coral that's the size of an eraser how much it was originally paid for as a colony then how much it's sold for after that per polyp.
Things won't change until people start wising up and stop paying high prices per polyp which in turn raises the bar on the going price which continues the trend in prices continuing to go higher and higher.
Sux to see here and other forums all these high PP prices , hyping still going on. Agree that its a free country and all but there's also a limit on the realistic prices that should be on a piece of a coral that's the size of an eraser how much it was originally paid for as a colony then how much it's sold for after that per polyp.
Things won't change until people start wising up and stop paying high prices per polyp which in turn raises the bar on the going price which continues the trend in prices continuing to go higher and higher.
scuba guy ron
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I got my first fish tank when I was 5. I started reef keeping 6 year ago. I try not to pay any attention to the hype of rare corals as I just plain dont need them nor does anyone else. The only reason I see that people would keep rare specimensIs to just be able to say they have them. I just love to sit in front of my tank and watch its beauty. I like to think that many other reefkeepers have the same feeling.
That being said If your heart isnt in it then thats a decision only you can make. I've spoke to you a few times Charles and will surely notice that you arent there to give great advice. Hopefully you'll stop by from time to time to say whats up. PEACE
That being said If your heart isnt in it then thats a decision only you can make. I've spoke to you a few times Charles and will surely notice that you arent there to give great advice. Hopefully you'll stop by from time to time to say whats up. PEACE
dh350twin
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I agree who needs the [rare] high priced corals,,,,there are tons of amazing corals out there reasonably priced as frags and the fun is watching them grow and then sharing with your reefing buddies.The hype will go away when enough people learn this.There only worth what you will pay.So wait until the market is flooded with the high price corals and then buy them cheap.Charles never met you but good luck to you and thanks for your support its obvious from what ive read your the man!!!!! just my two cents
I agree 100% and thanks for saying this bro. It's all about the money now. Free country or not, I walked into a LFS yesterday and the entire store was full of 1 to 3 polyp zoa and paly frags on round white plugs. Not a single colony of zoas or palys in the entire store. Well, there was one or two, and they were dookie brown and dule green. The store owner didn't have a single clue on how to keep them happy, but he quoted me the name of every single polyp in his store. I laughed inside yet it greatly troubled me. He knew nothing about keeping them, but he knew their names, how sad, and this happens everyday on every single sight out there. This is but one of the reasons why so many frags and colonies are dying.
As you said, as long as people continue believing these lies, the fake hype from the polyp pimpers, the false claims that something is rare, new on the scene, just released, limited edition, just discovered, Limited edition yadda yadda yadda, these sky high rip off prices will prevail.
So many of these single, double and triple polyp frags are dying as soon as they arrive. With no gurantees on these sky high purchases, I see many people going right back to their source and buying them again.
Before someone replies and says, "enough already Mucho, we get how you feel"...don't waste your time, I will continue to say it just as 650-!S359 and so many others will as well
Sad, but true. The demographic has changed, as you said, so many are into bragging rights which has absolutely nothing to do with reefing.
It has been 5 years since this mess started of sky high price gouging polyp pimps. The market is and has been flooded, and prices are still sky high. In 5 years you would think these polyps would have all grown out by now, but you don't see those types of tanks anymore. As soon as a polyp shows up, it gets whacked, glued and sold with a misleading explanation that it's just, "supply and demand, what the market will bare, all other corals are expensive, so why not zoas, it's LE, it's ultra rare and just released by Jacques De Pimper, yadda yadda yadda
RonMidtownStomp
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I have a fair number of people complain about my business over the last few years. I run a swing dancing business here in Sacramento. Some people believe we should do things differently. Some believe the music is too loud, some believe that we have too many live bands, some believe we have too few live bands, some believe that we focus on the wrong things during our classes... The list goes on and on.
A group of people who believed that they could do better started a dance about a year ago and they had great aspirations. They never topped 25 paying customers on a night and they just had their "last dance" last week as they went out of business. They fairly consistently lost money. We have averaged over 300/night for the last several months.
My point is, if you're not going to start a business selling corals the way that you believe it should be done, then you're just full of hot air and moaning a lot. I've heard some of you that are the loudest complain that it's just price gouging or hype or overcharging. If any business can find a way to make a profit, stay in business, and help to bring new hobbyists into reef keeping, they have their necks really far out there and a lot of their money on the line. Bashing them as taking advantage of customers is just out of line and insulting.
I'm not in the LFS business, the coral selling business, and this is only a hobby to me. I have had dozens of people try to tell me how to run the business that I use to pay my mortgage and the payment on my exceptionally nice car, however, and I bite my tongue every time and treat them with the utmost kindness.
Leave the hobby because you're burned out on it, tired of it, or don't care anymore. Don't try to blame it on some businesses trying to stay in business. Every single person I've talked to who owns a LFS is trying to hold onto the business for all they're worth. I wish like anything that there were enough buyers to support them by buying corals of any size at any price. I just stopped on the way home from my chiropractor and bought frag plugs from a LFS instead of ordering them online in hopes that the revenue will help him stay open a while longer.
A group of people who believed that they could do better started a dance about a year ago and they had great aspirations. They never topped 25 paying customers on a night and they just had their "last dance" last week as they went out of business. They fairly consistently lost money. We have averaged over 300/night for the last several months.
My point is, if you're not going to start a business selling corals the way that you believe it should be done, then you're just full of hot air and moaning a lot. I've heard some of you that are the loudest complain that it's just price gouging or hype or overcharging. If any business can find a way to make a profit, stay in business, and help to bring new hobbyists into reef keeping, they have their necks really far out there and a lot of their money on the line. Bashing them as taking advantage of customers is just out of line and insulting.
I'm not in the LFS business, the coral selling business, and this is only a hobby to me. I have had dozens of people try to tell me how to run the business that I use to pay my mortgage and the payment on my exceptionally nice car, however, and I bite my tongue every time and treat them with the utmost kindness.
Leave the hobby because you're burned out on it, tired of it, or don't care anymore. Don't try to blame it on some businesses trying to stay in business. Every single person I've talked to who owns a LFS is trying to hold onto the business for all they're worth. I wish like anything that there were enough buyers to support them by buying corals of any size at any price. I just stopped on the way home from my chiropractor and bought frag plugs from a LFS instead of ordering them online in hopes that the revenue will help him stay open a while longer.
Scott-CapeCoral
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Oops!! thought I was in the farewell to 650 thread. Guess not..
Mucho, 650- Everything you say is heard and listened to because you definitely know your stuff. Your tips have helped me get to where I am, and will continue for sure. However, lets not bash those who feel like collecting the 'now' craze. I'm pretty sure most of us here are these people, and have these high priced zoas and paly's. My friends call me a non-conformist because I always speak up first against the odds. I don't mean any harm, So please don't hate me for it. I myself have paid a pretty penny for the zoanthids and paly's I have right now, not to purposely raise the bar for pricing, but because I wanted them, right now. The collecting of what's the craze is my love for it right now. You and some other 'old schoolers' may have a different type of love for what we do. Not that we don't enjoy the same specimens you do, you just hate the hyped pricing more than others. I myself, do not buy these craze zoanthids and paly's and sell them, I am for now, keeping them all. Check my for sale posts, I don't think I have one except for a tank. But I do not regret spending $125 on 20 fruit loops, $50 pp on a blue hornet a year ago, blah blah for rainbows, blah blah for etc. These high prices are out there for our lps, sps, and softies as well. $250 mini carpets? C'mon now, you can cut those in 4 or more pieces.. Yumas for 100-150? It's all around us, not just here in the zoanthid forum. Yes it must feel terrible for someone seeing a dime sized creature priced so high, I do understand. I don't buy colonies of these, but I do buy single polyps of them. There are many many many "craze" paly's out there that I will never buy simply because I do not like them. I bought what I wanted and for that reason alone. Yes I may sell them someday, maybe now, maybe never.. I definitely would not mind the next person buying what they want from me, for the price I ask. Your car isn't worth the money you spent on it, If you knew the material and labor costs and compared them to the price people pay for their new cars then you'd probably be saying the same thing you do here. I wish I didn't need to pay these prices for the zoanthids I want, but I do because I can't get them for cheaper. Now you stated what you felt, I am only stating what I feel. I did not create this post to bash you nore say your wrong. I only wanted to stand up for myself and let you know I AM one who pays these high prices because I want them. Don't sue me for wanting them and buying them. I have no clue who priced them out this way. But you can't tell me alot of our zoanthid regulars don't have these craze pieces?? I know some of you out there bought the red hornet, I don't think it's amazing but I don't knock you for buying it. You wanted it apparently, or you wouldn't have paid the price you did..
I know I'm probably going to hear it after this.
I don't hate you, so don't hate me.
Mucho, 650- Everything you say is heard and listened to because you definitely know your stuff. Your tips have helped me get to where I am, and will continue for sure. However, lets not bash those who feel like collecting the 'now' craze. I'm pretty sure most of us here are these people, and have these high priced zoas and paly's. My friends call me a non-conformist because I always speak up first against the odds. I don't mean any harm, So please don't hate me for it. I myself have paid a pretty penny for the zoanthids and paly's I have right now, not to purposely raise the bar for pricing, but because I wanted them, right now. The collecting of what's the craze is my love for it right now. You and some other 'old schoolers' may have a different type of love for what we do. Not that we don't enjoy the same specimens you do, you just hate the hyped pricing more than others. I myself, do not buy these craze zoanthids and paly's and sell them, I am for now, keeping them all. Check my for sale posts, I don't think I have one except for a tank. But I do not regret spending $125 on 20 fruit loops, $50 pp on a blue hornet a year ago, blah blah for rainbows, blah blah for etc. These high prices are out there for our lps, sps, and softies as well. $250 mini carpets? C'mon now, you can cut those in 4 or more pieces.. Yumas for 100-150? It's all around us, not just here in the zoanthid forum. Yes it must feel terrible for someone seeing a dime sized creature priced so high, I do understand. I don't buy colonies of these, but I do buy single polyps of them. There are many many many "craze" paly's out there that I will never buy simply because I do not like them. I bought what I wanted and for that reason alone. Yes I may sell them someday, maybe now, maybe never.. I definitely would not mind the next person buying what they want from me, for the price I ask. Your car isn't worth the money you spent on it, If you knew the material and labor costs and compared them to the price people pay for their new cars then you'd probably be saying the same thing you do here. I wish I didn't need to pay these prices for the zoanthids I want, but I do because I can't get them for cheaper. Now you stated what you felt, I am only stating what I feel. I did not create this post to bash you nore say your wrong. I only wanted to stand up for myself and let you know I AM one who pays these high prices because I want them. Don't sue me for wanting them and buying them. I have no clue who priced them out this way. But you can't tell me alot of our zoanthid regulars don't have these craze pieces?? I know some of you out there bought the red hornet, I don't think it's amazing but I don't knock you for buying it. You wanted it apparently, or you wouldn't have paid the price you did..
I know I'm probably going to hear it after this.
I don't hate you, so don't hate me.
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