What are the most likely items to cause a flood?

Sk8r

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Bar none, your skimmer. Many have a habit of belching water on a restart or power out. I have a way to cope with that. a) Put little sections of tubing on the ventilation nipples and aim the little hoses back INTO your tank. Do not let them touch the water or your Venturi action will slow way down. or b) set your skimmer IN your sump so if it does overflow it will simply belch water back into the sump.

Your ATO if you don't secure your topoff line in some way that absolutely cannot flip out (causing your ato pump to keep sending water until the reservoir empties.) OR b, quite rare, but there's a reason to have a dual float or some mechanism that prevents an over-fill by cutting power to the ato pump. I don't have a controller---but I do have an over-fill-proof system.

Tank leak. THe nightmare that delivers the whole mess onto your living room carpet. Take any crack seriously, do NOT install a tidal surge wavemaker in a thin-walled tank, be VERY sure your tank is level before and after you fill it (stress adds up) and do not use a thin-walled tank in the first place, over 30 gallons. When you start reaching 50, that glass needs to get more substantial. My own glass is 5/8ths inch thick on a 105.

A check valve on any line: check valves allow water to flow only one direction and they sound like a real good idea---unless they clog. Because our systems produce a calcium carbonate in such places, and it clogs, do NOT use check valves. A gate valve is fine: those don't clog, and you CAN insert one in your return line to valve down an over-kill return pump to a more moderate flow. THis does not hurt your pump.

Another flood source is a pump turned off, while in a container that sits lower than the other end of the hose in the tank,---or higher, if you happen to have your pump in the tank and have a drain hose going down lower. Pump off, water continues to flow because the water in the hose has set up a siphon suction via gravity. A lot of people get surprised by this one. If this confuses you, diagram it till it makes sense.

Downflow box almost NEVER causes a leak UNLESS you let loose hair algae drift in your system and it clogs your overflow teeth, leaving the return pump sending water up faster than the overflow box can drain it down.

A power failure will NOT overflow a proper sump and overflow box setup, because the sump is filled in a power-off condition, and never filled more than that. A good downflow box is doublewalled, with a high inside wall that LIMITS how far the tank can drain down to about an inch or so. Once that limit is reached, the inner wall serves as a dam. If you've never set up a sump before, get a friend to shout stop at you if you are about to overflow.

And---if you are running ro/di---set a timer! A loud one!

It is also not a bad idea to install a nice loud water alarm in areas where you have a concern.
 
My only / almost flood was from my ATO , sir some reason the pipe continued to dribble water even after the pump had turned off, it must have dribbled for hours, I caught it with less that 1/2 a inch until the sump will have over flowed and caused a massive amount of damage.
I still do not fully understand why it did that on that day, it haven't for the 4 years previously and hasn't done it in the year since, still a concern of mine, I have thought of having a smaller resivior for the Rodi water just in case , but then I'm stuffed for water changes when I need 50 gallons ready
 
It could have been a siphon situation: if you let your ATO hose TOUCH the water surface, it can create a siphon from an ato reservoir that is higher than your tank. I prefer to keep my reservoir lower than my tank, and to be real careful to pin that ato tube real well so it never gets into that situation. I did have it happen once that it was too close to the surface. ATO filling raised the surface, touched the hose. It then siphoned tank water down to the ato reservoir, which lowered the surface and caused the ATO to cut back on. When it reached level again, it cut off, siphoned again, then pumped again. When I caught it, it was on the way to averaging out the salinity of the reservoir with that of the whole system, and I use a 32 gallon reservoir. Dodged the bullet on that one.
 
About 8 inches from the end of the pipe to the water, I do that on purpose to try and get some air into the incoming water
 
I have an AIO with the skimmer in the back chamber so overflows causing a flood are impossible.

QUESTION: Why/how can in-sump skimmers overflow? Doesn't the overflow just go back in the sump? Unless the skimmer is too close to the edge I can't envision how an overflow/flies could happen. Please give some examples of how this could happen. Thanks.
 
I have an AIO with the skimmer in the back chamber so overflows causing a flood are impossible.

QUESTION: Why/how can in-sump skimmers overflow? Doesn't the overflow just go back in the sump? Unless the skimmer is too close to the edge I can't envision how an overflow/flies could happen. Please give some examples of how this could happen. Thanks.


I believe that portion was just referencing external skimmers. She did make note of putting the skimmer in the sump as an option to prevent that.
 
I have had it happen with an in-sump Aqua C 120 and also with the current Coralife 200 something. Plus, I recall the old Urchin had a few unpleasant tricks, but I can't recall. Main thing is, if you have a spitter, it's going to spit from the air intakes, and you just need to take steps to be sure it spits into the sump, not onto your floor.
 
Oops. I missed that part. Thanks. One LFS store has an external 3-4 feet tall, but he has a concrete floor.

I'd never have one, but out of curiosity what do people do to protect against flooding who have an external skimmer? One of those water detection gizmos that cut the AC power to the pump?
 
All a skimmer's possible exits can be easily directed right into the sump, so that they're absolutely goof-proof. It's just a case of observing it in action and fixing it so it can't cause a problem. A skimmer is a pretty critical piece of equipment, whether for a fish-only or a reef. Amino acids build up: you can't see them, but they sure come out in the skimmer, and the water is a lot nicer as a result. Corals are living filters, but they can't cope wholly with as many fish as people tend to keep. Think of a skimmer as the 'toilet' of your tank. A kind of a nice amenity to have in a place.
 
Gravity fed ATO, I have a 8 gallon jug in the garage that has a float to keep it full and that feeds my sump the also has a float. With summer here my 210 burns 1.5gallons per day so every third day I turn on the RO system to fill the sump feed.
 
I came home to water on the fish room floor one time. Took a quick taste - salt water alright! Spent hours trying to figure out where it had come from until it finally dawned on me that it was actually the brine container from my whole house water softener that was the culprit.

When I have had tank spills, it's usually the external skimmer (float protected skimmate container put an end to that) or split fittings from too many wraps of Teflon tape (thread sealant put an end to that).
 
Sk8r... you have a coralife super skimmer 220? I ask because I have a 29g that I put a 125 on hob. I plan to use on a larger tank with sump down the road. I have seen they can be tricky and prone to going nuts and overflowing the cup from the forum posts. My tank is less than 30 days up but I keep it dry foam so far and have drilled the air intake a bit and did fishing line mod. How has yours been and what water level?
 
Two weeks ago my 150T cracked right across the bottom pane and drained completely. Of course I was on vacation out of the country at the time. I bought the tank used but it had been set up for 4 months. Had two Jebao PP-8s running on alternating and variable flow. Didn't seem too much but now I'm wondering if that stressed the tank.

As you can imagine, I'm worried about setting up a new tank and having it happen again.


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My Osmolator came with a nice screw-on bracket to hold the hose. (Bought used and supervised for a month before trusting it alone for vacation). I have it positioned above the water near the returns. (Away from the sump walls). Pretty nice.
 
My largest risk of flood seems to be me making new ro/di water in a brute container and forgetting I had it running. Many hours later going into the garage to see a large puddle on the floor. :D
 
I've had good luck with the Coralife skimmer---not the most super-powered skimmer, but I have a tank that's been through the wars last fall, and with the help of NoPox, it's pulling black skimmate, which is all you can ask. It does have that bad habit of spitting, but if all possible outlets for overflow (both small air intake nipples) route back to the skimmer via stubs of tubing, it's an inconsequence---and the price is quite modest.
 
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Here is my skimmer. About 8 hours since last cup clean. Did a PVC 90 out... may want to paint it. I was thinking of running the cup drain to a 2 liter bottle in case it goes nuts. So far I am happy and still dialing it in.
When I had large tanks like 9 years ago I would always forget ro/di filling in trashcan. And it was a 110gpd unit... I used to towel dry/clean and be like....well I "mopped" the floor to my gf. I am waiting for parts for an all 12v diy ATO. I plan on having two max level sensors in case one gets stuck.
 
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I would guess an ATO. It's honestly the reason I haven't gotten one, but I think I am going to do a small one so that the amount of overflow isn't devastating and I will benefit from the stability and not be required to top off every night, maybe just fill my reservoir once or twice a week.
 
I would guess an ATO. It's honestly the reason I haven't gotten one, but I think I am going to do a small one so that the amount of overflow isn't devastating and I will benefit from the stability and not be required to top off every night, maybe just fill my reservoir once or twice a week.

This is similar to what I do. Mine is only about 2.5 gallons and I fill it roughly twice a week.
 
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