what glue for sps frags?

Norm R

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I've never been a big fan of fresh cut sps frags so I tend to glue them to plugs to let them heal and start growing again before trading/selling them. For adhesive, I've had my best luck using bsi IC-GEL and at times, two-part epoxy, depending on the application. With that said, I still lose more frags than I would like during the curing process, especially on some of the more sensitive acros. I was wondering what others use that has proven to be successful. :confused:
 
What happens is you get a little gel on your finger tips and scorch the polyps.
OR
You wind up hurting the polyps trying to hold the frag in place while the glue heals.

I just burnt part of a new frag this week-end, and I'm not happy about it.

That being said ... I still just use the same ol' gel super glue and/or epoxy if it's a big piece. I do need to use a generous blob of super glue for bigger pieces and branches.

Rubble is often easier to use than the plug since it has more crooks/ crevices to help hold it in place.

Try dropping water or dip the frag in water to help the super glue cure faster. Then you can get it set in about 3 minutes.
 
I have fragged a lot of SPS recently and so far have not lost a single frag during the fragging process.

I use the Maxicure super glue gel. It is very thick and easy to work with. It creates a strong bond usually on the first try. I picked it up from Chief Reef, but it can also be bought from Bulk Reef Supply as well as others.

My Process:
1. Soak plugs in a small container with just enough water to cover the frags. I prefer the disks for anything larger than 1", they are much easier to work with.

2. Cut SPS frags and place in a second container. I use the GFS containers usually. I try to avoid exposing them to air as much as possible.

3. Remove the plug/disc from the water and blot the surface dry where you plan to mount the frag.

4. Set the plug/disc on a level surface and apply a dime size amount of glue. I apply it slowly as I want it to mound up to about 3mm thick.

5. Let the glue stand for 60-90 seconds. I do not like to get the glue wet first as this creates a film that can make it harder to get good adhesion.

6. Grab the frag with the forceps and remove it from the first container. If I cannot hold it with forceps, I make sure I don't have any glue on my fingers.

7. Blot the end with a paper towel where it will be glued to remove any water/slime.

8. Place it on the mound of glue and gives it a slight twist to ensure the glue makes good contact.

9. Quickly place it under water sideways holding the plug/disc with your fingers and the frag with the forceps. Keep it stable until the glue cures enough to hold on its own, usually 60 seconds once the water hits the glue.
I usually leave it laying on it's side after this for 2-5 minutes before placing it back in the tank to ensure a strong bond.
I place it in a low flow area for the first 24 hours typically.

In the last two months I have fragged my ORA Blue Tort (4), Tri-color (4), Pearlberry acro (2), Monti spongodes (3), Unknown acro (4), unknown acro (1).
I am not sure how sensitive any of these are, but so far I have not lost any of them during the fragging process or within a week afterward. I lost one when it was stung by it's neighbor, but that was unrelated to the gluing process.
 
Nice link Jakano. This comment from that link addresses Norm's Q directly. I don't use Epoxy on the frag itself so have not had this issue.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14089156#post14089156 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ashkan@ashkan.b
with the frags you can put a bit of the glue in the bottom of the frag and let it crust over and dry before putting the epoxy and that will lower the risk of burnning the frag.
 
Thanks for the comments. The process I use is very close to what MarineFishGuy described. I'm confident my current issue is a result of the glue because I did not used to have any losses until I switched glue brands (couldn't find the one I used to use any more). IME the IC-GEL does fine for montiporas, birdsnest, A yongeii and some of the other "tougher" acros but not on those that are generally considered more difficult to keep. On those, the two-part epoxy seems to be better but still not at an acceptable level for my tastes.

I'll go check out jakano's link...

Any other specific experiences / brands you'd recommend?
 
I have used maxicure for literally hundereds of frags from chalices to montiporas to acroporas, ect. Never had a problem with it. Your always going to lose some frags no matter what glue you use.
I would mention where I get it but my post would probably just get deleted...
 
Most model shops have all the good glues I know Slaters hardware here in Lancaster has any type you could ever use and in any glue speed and thickness its wild all the diffrent ones they have Maxicure is the biggest brand they carry but there are so many combinations of it I just get the heavy gel maxicure And i also use icgel but i think they have changed their recipe or something because it hasnt worked very well lately on anything.
 
I have had good luck with the chief reef super glue gel and coarse sand (aragonite)

Basically, I take a fresh frag, dab the end to remove some moisture, put glue on plug, then liberally apply the sand around the exposed glue area. This tends to make for a quick bond as well as a faster encrusting of the coral.

works for me!
 
I use Aleene's Superglue gel from Michael's. 9 grams for about $4. I've not had any problems with it.
 
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