What has been your experience with Reef Safe Ich treatments

What has been your experience with Reef Safe Ich treatments

  • I used No Sick Fish and it cured my tank of Ich.

    Votes: 3 11.1%

  • I used No Sick Fish and it did NOT work at all.

    Votes: 6 22.2%

  • I used Kick Ich and it cured my tank of Ich.

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • I used Kick Ich and it did NOT work at all.

    Votes: 13 48.1%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
mmgm

mmgm

Premium Member
All:

The last time I had an ich problem was about 2 years ago.... Since that time I QT and have no ich issues.... I was surfing around RC and noticed some new products out like No Sick Fish (NSF) and was wondering if anyone has tried the product and whether it has been used with success?

Please only vote in the poll if you have used the product.... I am very curious about peoples experiences with the products....

One of these days someone will come up with a Reef Safe cure for ich.....

Just curious.....

Thanks
 
Looks like there is not too much experience out there on this topic.....

Maybe in a year or two things will change.....:D
 
i used kick ick but i got ick again. i dont know why, but i think it might be from all the new fish that were added even though they were completely cured. do you know if ick stays in the sand even if no symptoms appear?
 
It will stay in the substrate but only until it multiplies then it swims and looks for new hosts (your fish)
 
Most experienced aquarists and those that have a lot of experience helping people in forums with sick fish do not recommend any of the so-called reef safe medications for ich. Simply put, I have not seen one that is consistently effective. Better to use a treatment that is dependable and proven. BTW, people that quarantine all fish properly BEFORE placing them into their display tank rarely have a problem with ich. Now if we could just get people to quarantine before they kill some fish!

Terry B
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6845594#post6845594 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TerryB
Most experienced aquarists and those that have a lot of experience helping people in forums with sick fish do not recommend any of the so-called reef safe medications for ich. Simply put, I have not seen one that is consistently effective. Better to use a treatment that is dependable and proven. BTW, people that quarantine all fish properly BEFORE placing them into their display tank rarely have a problem with ich. Now if we could just get people to quarantine before they kill some fish!

Terry B
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I hear you and agree.....I was just wondering if things have changed over the past few years around this topic.... Recently I noticed the company No Sick Fish (NSF) is a sponser here on RC.... In addition to being a sponser they claim to have a Reef Safe cure for ich...... Since they are a sponser I was wondering if things have changed and someone finally came up with a Reef Safe cure for ich..... However when reading threads on the topic it is clear to me folks in the hobby are at best split on the opinion that a Reef Safe cure exists.

Was wondering if anyone who has actually used the product could contribute to the poll.....

Anyway.... looks like things have not changed much in the past two years.....

I wonder what Reef Central's position is on allowing sponsers that sell Reef Safe cures for ich..... Since most members on the web site do not beleive there is any credibility to these products....

Whats up? Is there an integrity issue here? Or does NSF really work and worth sponsering on RC? :confused:
 
Well

Looks like not many people use the Reef Safe cures for Ich.....

And also it looks like people that have used them have not had any success with them.....

Although additional feedback is appreciated... but please vote only if you have used these products.....

Thanks...:D
 
I tried NSF for 7 days as the instructions state. It did absolutely nothing. No affect on fish or corals. Continued the treatment for an additional 7 days. Again, no affect on any fish or coral.
Waste of money IMO.
 
In regards to concern about integrity...

It seems to me you've got it backwards. RC does not sponsor them, or endorse them that I'm aware of, they sponsor RC.

A sponsor, by definition, is an entity (NSF) that gives another entity (Reef Central) something (money) in order to support what they are doing (running this website). I'm not aware of any reciprocal endorsement from RC that any of their sponsors products work better than any other competitor that is not a sponsor, if they work at all. If RC has represented their position as being that their sponsors' products work and/or are in some way better than the competitions products, than you have a point (and I would like to see that representation). I doubt this is the case though.

I imagine RC will take money from just about any company out there that wants to give it, whether their products are the miracle cure-all they claim to be, or are instant death to all life in the tank.

What actually is kind of weird, is that a company that sells a product that doesn't work would sponsor a public forum where the fact that their product does not work can quickly disseminate to a large number of hobbiests. You'd thing a company like that would want the ignorance to continue.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6873798#post6873798 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reverendmaynard
In regards to concern about integrity...

It seems to me you've got it backwards. RC does not sponsor them, or endorse them that I'm aware of, they sponsor RC.

A sponsor, by definition, is an entity (NSF) that gives another entity (Reef Central) something (money) in order to support what they are doing (running this website). I'm not aware of any reciprocal endorsement from RC that any of their sponsors products work better than any other competitor that is not a sponsor, if they work at all. If RC has represented their position as being that their sponsors' products work and/or are in some way better than the competitions products, than you have a point (and I would like to see that representation). I doubt this is the case though.

I imagine RC will take money from just about any company out there that wants to give it, whether their products are the miracle cure-all they claim to be, or are instant death to all life in the tank.

What actually is kind of weird, is that a company that sells a product that doesn't work would sponsor a public forum where the fact that their product does not work can quickly disseminate to a large number of hobbiests. You'd thing a company like that would want the ignorance to continue.
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Thanks for the clarification..... I think what I meant (but did not say clearly :D ) was:

Does RC have any Integrity or ethical issues by accepting money from a company they clearly know will sell expensive and useless products to all of their loyal members?

This site clearly gives sponsor companies exposure to a huge population of people in this hobby..... And in the sponsor forum members of RC have opportunities to provide feedback for most sponsor companies.....I was always under the impression that RC screened sponsors and only allowed companies as a sponsor if they were ethical and truely beneficial to the hobby....

In this day and age I guess it's just all about money....... :rolleyes:

Whats Interesting is that in the vendor forum there is no area represented by No Sick Fish (NSF)....... So people that use NSF have no direct way to provide feedback.......:strooper:

To your point Reverend..... It's a good thing members of RC can post feedback such as this.... and I agree if NSF does not work this fact will be known to ALL in a very short period of time......:D

With this in mind.... I would appreciate feedback and voting in this poll from people that have used these products before..... I don't want to just assume No Sick Fish does not work.... This would not be fair.....

Any first hand experience with this stuff?:D
 
no, sorry.

I wouldn't try it under any circumstance I can currently imagine. If for some reason I couldn't use a hospital tank, I would just work to improve water quality and diet, and hope the fish could fight it off.
 
viggen,

Garlic, garlic juice, allicin (a garlic derivative) is seriously misunderstood. It's one of those 'rumors' that have gotten out of hand. Tests show that garlic sometimes improves appetite, or the appearance of an improved appetite. On the other hand, just as many times that it has 'worked' it has 'failed.' Something 50/50 is worth a try in order to get a fish to begin eating, but not to be counted upon.

On the scientific side, the garlic plant has a weak antimicrobial regime of chemicals that protects the plant. These weak antimicrobial chemicals are released when the plant is crush or physically hurt.

The ability of this weak antimicrobial set of chemicals to overcome obligate parasites like Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) has not been proven. There does seem to be times where it might have an affect on the course of the disease. There is much work on this. But this is still in the cetegory of all the other 'miracle' cures that is 'reef safe.' It can't be counted upon to cure or help a sick fish.

The silly part of all this viggen is that these antimicrobial chemicals are potent when freshly released (when garlic is freshly crushed), but near worthless when it's been on the shelf for a few days. These chemicals are alos worthless when eaten. Stomach acids quickly destroy the chemicals. People seem intent on buying garlic for the wrong reasons AND the wrong garlic.

Would I treat a sick fish with garlic and hope it gets better? Absolutely not! I practice responsible reefkeeping and I rely on proven treatments and cures (and: water quality, proper nutrition, etc.) to get my fish healthy as soon as possible.

Read more about garlic if you're interested:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=541977

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=546776

This is a recent article on garlic:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php
 
Just to recap where we stand..... Based on current feedback:

1. No Sick Fish (NSF) - does not work

2. Kick Ich - Seems like there are mixed reviews about this. Some people have had success with this product. This is consistent with other threads I have read.

3. Garlic - is a myth and does not work

4. Ginger - is a myth and does not work

5. No other Reef Safe cures that work are available

6. Copper and Hyposalinity are still the only sure way to treat the parasite

7. Some have claimed fish develop a natural immunity to the parasite.... True or False? No feedback on this.....


It's amazing in this day and age no-one has a reef safe cure for ich.... Especially when you look at the market potential from the commercial Fish and public aquarium industry..... I guess if they do not have a medicine then us Reefers will not.... After all do public Aquariums use NSF or Kick Ich?

I would guess Public Aquariums do not use these products because they know they don't work.....

Make sense?.......:confused:

Hard to beleive......:D
 
Copper and hyposalinity are NOT the only treatments. You need to do some homework:
Steven Proââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s article on Marine Ich (Part 1):
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.htm
(Part 2):
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/index.htm

Copper and hyposalinity are the most commonly used almost 100% successful treatments, but the transfer method and, as I prefer a combo of the hyposalinity with vacuuming the tank twice daily, has also worked quite well.

Now you invite discussions on immunity and the technical fine points of MI? Go to other threads. E.g.:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=774458

Professionals and public aquariums:
1. Always quarantine
2. Use prophylactic treatments of copper and/or hyposalinity.

:rollface:
 
Just to mention something, I have tried garlic and it worked the only thing is ich is tricky it seems to dissapear and then comes back and most people that use it think that it did the trick and stop giving it. Now on the hyposalinity and fresh water deep can someone tell me a good link where it gives specific instructions on how to do those well. Those seem to always work the best but are risky if not done properly.
 
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