What is a Tyree coral?

[mummra100769]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7723199#post7723199 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 2x210g
DAMM 4 true blue squamosa at the same store at the same time. i wish i work at that fish store. were they going for under $100 each? i need to move out to cental cali. just to cherry pick at this fish store.

well it was three at one time...then a fourth a couple of weeks later.
thats right and two of them are on this board. pm me and i will give you the names. i do not want to publicly. they were around $70.00 if i remember correctly.

plus you live in the bay area so you could make it down if you wanted to.lol

 

[mummra100769]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7723532#post7723532 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Imhotep, Imhotep
I think I know which store this is. I don't want to be hater because I actually like your store and your prices are outstanding, but your statements not exactly true. I come into Fresno about once a week or more for business and make it a point to swing by in the mornings. Quite frequently, I see corals (or groups of corals) marked NFS. I am told that the manager has placed the corals on hold for himself.

I notice them because they are usually the nicest corals in the display and they were not there the week prior. They are indeed nice corals and I would buy them in a second, but they are always marked NFS. There is no way any of those corals you posted in your store for more than two weeks, especially at your low prices.

Thankfully, I'm not to far away from Ming Wei and Joleen. They have good taste and get in nice corals like you. They keep the really nice pieces, but at least they are willing to sell frags. So I have access to really nice corals. Yeah I pay more per inch, but at least I know I don't have the only one.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but they can do this because they are better setup for long term survival than your store. They have more space, larger tanks, and super high end equipment. They don't have to unload their super nice corals quickly. They can hold onto them for years.

Sure, colonies are nice, but selling frags of your desirable colonies instead of stocking them away in your home tank insures that they will not disappear forever if you have a catastrophe at home. Personally, I'd rather pay more for a frag of your nice corals than not being able to buy them at all.

Not being able to purchase these same corals and share in their beauty (that pink echino is hot) in effect makes them priceless like art work in a museum. Priceless is more expensive than any of Tyree's frags.

Getting back at the Tyree issue. I have noticed that those who complain about Tyree "stealing" coral from hobbyists to make a profit aren't the ones Tyree is stealing coral from.

If I'm not mistaken, the original donors of Tyree's frags aren't posting (Steve Tyree ruined my life or Steve Tyree robbed my house). Perhaps we should ask them how they feel.

ah man i wish we would have talked then i could have cleared this up...all holds must have my approval so when you see something that is NFS then 9 out of 10 times it is for a regular that has either purchased it and is coming back for it or wanted to put it on hold for a couple of days...we get this alot, people thinking that all the good stuff is going to the employees but if you are there monday morn then you can score some really sweet stuff.

i along with all other employees must...must wait one full week before we can purcahse items.sometimes our set ups are so full with corals that the good stuff gets over looked....i would like to state that i have had sps stay in our systems for more than 6 months before they sold and triple in size...i am sorry we did not clear any of this up when you were in the store as we would have loved to do so.

i don't like to talk shop on here... i stated my opinon and if anybody wants to ask more industry related questions please send me a pm and i will do it privately.

 

[DonavonsReef]

And the name of your store is........? I want one of those squams.

 

[mummra100769]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7724458#post7724458 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mummra100769
i don't like to talk shop on here... i stated my opinon and if anybody wants to ask more industry related questions please send me a pm and i will do it privately.

 

[DonavonsReef]

ah man i wish we would have talked then i could have cleared this up...all holds must have my approval so when you see something that is NFS then 9 out of 10 times it is for a regular that has either purchased it and is coming back for it or wanted to put it on hold for a couple of days...we get this alot, people thinking that all the good stuff is going to the employees but if you are there monday morn then you can score some really sweet stuff.

Sorry I saw this whole paragraph of shop talk & figured you woulden't mind providing a name.

 

[mummra100769]

that is really farther than i want to go on the boards but i was being called out so i felt like i had to defend myself.lol

 

[2x210g]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7724420#post7724420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mummra100769
well it was three at one time...then a fourth a couple of weeks later.
thats right and two of them are on this board. pm me and i will give you the names. i do not want to publicly. they were around $70.00 if i remember correctly.

plus you live in the bay area so you could make it down if you wanted to.lol

Please, pretty please. can i have the name of the that LFS you are working at so i can camp outside when those true blue sqam's come in. they run for only $70.00, man that's cheaper then what the importer/wholesaler charge.

 

[mummra100769]

you are trying to bait me into an argument and it will not work. just pm me if you have any other questions.

remember this is just the internet and i have no beef with anybody here.

 

[DarkXerox]

Did you ever get aroung to posting a FTS? I want to see if your war coral has the blue/gray marbling pattern. Few people know that is the defining point of the coral.

 

[Imhotep Imhotep]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7724458#post7724458 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mummra100769
ah man i wish we would have talked then i could have cleared this up...all holds must have my approval so when you see something that is NFS then 9 out of 10 times it is for a regular that has either purchased it and is coming back for it or wanted to put it on hold for a couple of days...we get this alot, people thinking that all the good stuff is going to the employees but if you are there monday morn then you can score some really sweet stuff.

i along with all other employees must...must wait one full week before we can purcahse items.sometimes our set ups are so full with corals that the good stuff gets over looked....i would like to state that i have had sps stay in our systems for more than 6 months before they sold and triple in size...i am sorry we did not clear any of this up when you were in the store as we would have loved to do so.

i don't like to talk shop on here... i stated my opinon and if anybody wants to ask more industry related questions please send me a pm and i will do it privately.

Oh, so you are the store. Umm, I have been there on a Monday morning and have seen the staff and overheard them personally cherry pick. Also, if LE quality corals show up all the time in your store, then why don't more people from the Fresno area post pics. You seem to be the only one.

I have asked your staff on several occassions. They all tell me the same thing. The manager is taking it home to his personal tank. If the manager really cared for his customers, he would hold the coral and frag it up among many customers so as to not play favorites.

Your tanks are indeed packed. Too packed IMO. The corals are stinging each other. I realize that in order to get the nice stuff, you need to tranship huge amount. Of course that brings up the whole ethical debate of less wasted life through captive bred sales. Let's not stray too far though.

Your tanks aren't that full that your nice corals will be missed. Trust me. I'm a Nor Cal coral hag. I have also seen some of the pics you posted in your store with NFS written in front of it.

I have respect for your taste in corals and your store. Your employees treat me well, and the prices are fair (on livestock). Still, I feel strongly about the following issues:

You are misrepresenting on this issue of "Holds"

You are downplaying the captive bred issues.

Most importantly, you are a vendor (posing as a normally hobbyist) that is slamming another specific vendor in a public place.

Isn't that against some unwritten code?

 

[Imhotep Imhotep]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7724344#post7724344 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jero1
I can only speak from my experience...I have had some of my corals become Le's because I called Steve. I offered frags and still have the colonies.I am also on many of his waiting list and can vouch for recieving mass emails of le's that someone has cancled at first come first serve.Most of the time I do not buy from this list simple because I have obtained them already from people that have recieved them and grown them out.many people on the list obtain them from others also,so if nobody jumps on the canceled corals why now sell them in other venues.Most of the time it's the ones supplying the frags to steve in hopes that it will hit big so that they make the money( since They still have they colonies) So if anybody is shady it's the hobbiest! Steve won't know about you and your corals unless YOU contact him.Then he asks " how much do you sell frags for" ...setting a market value.So to all that think he's scamming everyone try looking at the whole picture and you might be surprised to find it's YOUR fellow hobbiest!

This is the same story that every Reeffarmers tells me.

 

[mummra100769]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7725925#post7725925 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Imhotep, Imhotep
Oh, so you are the store. Umm, I have been there on a Monday morning and have seen the staff and overheard them personally cherry pick. Also, if LE quality corals show up all the time in your store, then why don't more people from the Fresno area post pics. You seem to be the only one.

I have asked your staff on several occassions. They all tell me the same thing. The manager is taking it home to his personal tank. If the manager really cared for his customers, he would hold the coral and frag it up among many customers so as to not play favorites.

Your tanks are indeed packed. Too packed IMO. The corals are stinging each other. I realize that in order to get the nice stuff, you need to tranship huge amount. Of course that brings up the whole ethical debate of less wasted life through captive bred sales. Let's not stray too far though.

Your tanks aren't that full that your nice corals will be missed. Trust me. I'm a Nor Cal coral hag. I have also seen some of the pics you posted in your store with NFS written in front of it.

I have respect for your taste in corals and your store. Your employees treat me well, and the prices are fair (on livestock). Still, I feel strongly about the following issues:

You are misrepresenting on this issue of "Holds"

You are downplaying the captive bred issues.

Most importantly, you are a vendor (posing as a normally hobbyist) that is slamming another specific vendor in a public place.

Isn't that against some unwritten code?

well i can not tell you anything but what i know to be the truth.

i never hide the fact that i work and manage a LFS...i do not like to bring that up on the boards for 2 reasons 1:my opinions are my own and separate from my feelings and beliefs i have as a retailer.2: i would rather not get swarmed by pms asking me to sell corals. you imply i am in some way being shady about my activities...but you are wrong.

you asked about people posting pics. it seems that only a few RC members from this area ever post pics. those that do could show some mighty sweet stuff they have scored from this area. i am truly prolific when it comes to posting pics thats for sure.

like i said if you want to talk shop pm or just call the store i will be more than happy to clear up your misconceptions.

you are making assumptions and i have never spoke to you and never have you talked to me about these issues...i think you are just misinformed or just caught us on bad days...i don't know. maybe you could pm me some dates of you visits and how often because we know every body pretty well and i would like to know how well we know you.

i will point out that this area does not support rare corals as only a select few people even know what they are and never do i have but just a few people know what these corals are going for online. there is really no market here for the super rare. i hear this all the time. i can get that at the whole salers...or why is that one more than this one? most people around here are happy with the bread and butter..which we are more than happy to sell to them. but this is more shop talk and if you really have concerns then i suggest we take this to pm so i can clear this up for you.

all things aside this kind of debate sure does offer a lot of entertainment...would you agree? it just proves that we are a very diverse group of people and that our passions run deep. i think it also proves that some of us like to debate a little to much (me included).

we should start a whole new thread just to keep this going ( i am just kidding).lol

personally i would still be mad if i had to wait for something (anything) and then find out some one who just so happen to be in the right place at the right time scored it instead of me. if this is not the case cool...but i would be mad if it did go down like that.

 

[mummra100769]

ok i stayed up late for this

ok i stayed up late for this

i do not think i have anything to prove but i did say i would post pics.

the first two are from the dual 40 gallons i just set up. pretty sweet but still very new.

i do not see the marble patterns on the faviites so i did call that one wrong. it's still one of my favorites (one of three that came in).

and the 37 gallon mix.more polished as it was well established when these pics were taken.

i do not have any shots of the prop tank...i might have some shots of zoatopia but we were not really talking about zoas so.

 

[wentreefgirl]

Boy you guys get off topic quick here,lol. Mummra, you have some nice stuff. I was waiting for your second set of pics. Would like closeups of the lps at the bottom here. Is this your tank.

 

[mummra100769]

what..of the 37? this tank was taken down but i do have close ups (like i said before i am very prolific when it comes to pics).

instead of posting here why don't i email them or just pm them to you.

 

[wentreefgirl]

pm sent.

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7714744#post7714744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Al G Blenny
I'm not sure what you mean about being up front about business activities. I could be way off base but if you are talking about one or both of the business' I own all of the Mods already know. I told them right when I started my last business. Why would you think I am shady like that? Again if I understood that the wrong way I apologize.

You keep totally missing the point. The whole "waiting list" has no purpose other than to drive up the cost by making peopel think these things are rare, and that production is limited. Its to make people think that hes only got enough to frag once a month. The truth is, hes moving dozens of frags of each coral every month, if not more. That means that these things are a LOT more widespread than some of you seem to think.

Say hes moving a dozen frags a month, then all those people are now moving frags too. Thats a lot more frags than the 1 a month people seem to think there are.


He had TONS of frags at the meeting I went to. Some of the stuff went pretty damn cheap too.

 

[duec22]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7736573#post7736573 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
You keep totally missing the point. The whole "waiting list" has no purpose other than to drive up the cost by making peopel think these things are rare, and that production is limited. Its to make people think that hes only got enough to frag once a month. The truth is, hes moving dozens of frags of each coral every month, if not more. That means that these things are a LOT

I don't even know how to respond to that other than to ask how far up you had to reach for that line of BS....
Yes, some of the corals that he has had for several years that are still on the LE list produce far more than the 1 frag a month...However, anything that is new he is starting for a frag and he is not takeing multipule frags from it...which is the time that the waiting list is formed, and his production is limited. For example the watermellon chalice..how many extra frags of that did he have at that meeting? I don't know why he takes the lists out several years...as he will be producing more by then..and it will be most likely wide spread by then. Such as the Montipora aquituberculata, I'm not sure why that is still on the LE list as it's very wide spread out here...At the BAR swap I think I saw a good 10 frags of it floating around. It might be that he still has a high demand for it, just not from my area...And just FYI he doesn't keep track for what happens to a frag after it's out of his possesion, so he has no idea how many times over his stuff has been fraged out...the only thing he has to go by as far as demand is the number of requests that he gets.
But to say that these corals aren't rare, and that his production isn't limited is just ignorant.

 

[kozmo02]

I don't see what all the fuss is, who cares? LE, not LE, does it really matter? I have seen this argument so many times and it is just pointless.

If you don't like LE's then don't buy them, if you like LE's then go ahead and buy them. Yes it is a lot of hype and funny names, but so are a lot other things, remember blue zoas? acanths? countless SPS pieces? this hobby is a rollercoaster of trends.

If people want to spend their money on LE corals then let them, if you don't like it then at the very least don't be so judgmental of people who don't mind buying them and spending the cash, it is after all, their cash to spend.

 

[mummra100769]

i think it's more to the point of some of us see this as to much comercialism of the hobby (boy do i have a death wish for stating that.lol).

i know...i know... i am a retailer and some will not be able to get past that (some would say i do this out of spite...what ever)...but maybe this is just a little to far. i went to a web site of a person who has defended the LE practice before and i saw LE after LE coral listed at high prices. some of this stuff i have seen in not my LFS but other sites as well.

in a capitalist society every one can charge and buy and pay what ever they want it's fine by me but maybe this is just a little to much for some hobbyists to take. i am cool with it and i will have to live with my fake war coral (BTW i think that an only red with green centers would be more desired but thats just me... mine is bright red with bright green centers and no other colors what so ever). i just wish that the opposing side couls see the other part of this and look past the profit margin potential of this type of activity.

to each his own but as a retailer i do not like to see this in general and as a hobbyists it is more fun to get a so called look a like that is just as nice and a lower cost (sometimes nicer)...i am just not into the whole naming thing. also it's a big ocean and ther has to be more than just one morph or coloration of a coral and i bet over the entire united states a lot of these guys are a lot more common than you would think vfrom the LE status.

i mean that is really what it is right? a status symbol...to say you have an original LE so and so and be proud of that. status.