whats the difference between zoas and palys??

[fast57]

i understand what you mean about knowing the corect names and species they are. But when i go to a store or swap technical names arent going to help me. Theres no way of knowing how much correct knowledge someone has on what there selling. I wanted to know how when I look at 1 of the 2 I could Visually determine which one they are.

 

[nUgZ]

Check the link I posted earlier in the thread. That's the most up to date information regarding the classifications.

 

[geoxman]

I could really care less about the scientific name or origin of the name.
To lump LPS and SPS in the same class is crazy. To lump paly and zoanthus gigantus is not a real big stretch----They look pretty much like each other! I could care less if it is a gigantus or proto or paly or a playdough paly or whatever! I buy what looks nice and they all get along with each other, so who cares what special species/classification they are? A RPE is still a RPE unless you want to change it to RZGE.
Palys are usually bigger-that is how I judge. good luck and happy reefing!

 

[JGoslee]

Ive always had problems telling the difference between the two also. Actually the only one I know for sure is that PE's are zoanthid gigantus. Are there any small palys? How would you tell if a polyp was a paly or zoa? Are ther any key signs to tell the difference?

 

[nUgZ]

geoxman- I wans't suggesting that people place SPS and LPS in the same category. I'm saying that when people say "this is what SPS need" or "this is what LPS need" is not at all a good way to classify the needs of our corals. Did you read the article??

 

[geoxman]

I could really care less about the scientific name or origin of the name.

again it makes no difference to me and they will do fine under the same care, whether a paly, zoo, proto, or pluto.

Pretty much the same with mushrooms!



Did you read the article??

I have beer to drink tonight, but I did skim through it.
Seems a little to anal retentive for me-sorry Chris Jury!

I think getting bent out of shape for calling an RPE a paly VS zoanthus gigantus is pretty George Costanza-over analyzing, obsessing, and nuts. JMHO

A paly is bigger! good luck and happy reefing

 

[nUgZ]

Do not play games trying to avoid the language censor.
-edited by Moderator

 

[edwing206]

nUgz- seriously, you need to settle down. the thread was started to know what the differences between zoas and palys are, not whether PE's are zaonthus gigantus or paly's.

so to answer your question racer57, some of the differences between the two are palys are for the most part are bigger, depending which ones they are can be more expensive, and to me they almost always have crazier, mixed colors that look like they are splattered.

 

[jessp]

i don't think that the scientific classification has to do w/ the coral care.

If zoanthus gigantus had care requirements that where so much different than palythoas than we would be doing a disservice. do they have a big difference in care requirements? Not in my experience.

what is a disservice is giving these zoas and palys fancy names and charging 10 dollars a polyp. If you want to get on someones case get on theirs. it is a bigger disservice to the hobby by making frags unobtainable to the average guy trying to put together colorful tank.

jmho,
jess

 

[nUgZ]

It amazes me that people care so much about whether they have Armageddon, AOG's, Tubs blues or any other "named" Zoanthid but couldn't care less about what they actually are classified as. Unless it's going to put a couple extra dollars in your pocket it doesn't matter. That's one of the biggest problems facing the hobby these days.

 

[jessp]

isn't that what i just said?

 

[nUgZ]

I am agreeing with you jess.

 

[jessp]

ok so what is the difference between paly's and zoas? size? shape? matt formation? growth pattern? colors? why are pe's zoanthus gigantus and not palythoa? i think that is the question that was originally asked, what genetic traits make a polyp a zoa or paly.

 

[jessp]

for the record i have no idea, just curious if anyone else knows?

 

[geoxman]

size and $$

Who really cares?? They are in the same family-same needs-jmho

Does a micro need different care from a blasto?? Maybe very little? but they are different species in the same class LPS. etc..

size and size and $$
good luck

 

[zeppelin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9146154#post9146154 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nUgZ
It amazes me that people care so much about whether they have Armageddon, AOG's, Tubs blues or any other "named" Zoanthid but couldn't care less about what they actually are classified as. That's one of the biggest problems facing the hobby these days.

See, to me that actually shows that people in this hobby are more into the enjoyment of it, and will sit with friends and a couple Margaritas in front of their tank in jeans and a t-shirt instead of a lab coat. Its a hobby. Its supposed to be FUN.

There is definitely a time and place to shove the scientifically correct name of any coral into a conversation. I just dont believe its EVERY conversation.

I'm done here. Fast57, I hope you got your answer. If you need anything further, feel free to pm me and I'll try to answer any specific questions to the best of my ability.

Happy Reefing everyone. :beer:

 

[nUgZ]

Geoxman- Maybe if you rub your two brain cells together REALLY hard you could actually come up with a coherent thought. Saying that all "LPS" need the same care or all "SPS" need the same care or even that all Zoanthids/Palythoa need the same care is just plain ignorant. A couple quotes from Mr. Jury's article. "This is analogous to saying that seals, bears and wolves are really all the same animals and have the same needs." ""LPS" is an artificial and arbitrary grouping of totally unrelated species. Humans (genetically, temporally and evolutionarily) are much closer relatives of whales and armadillos than some of these corals are to each other, and I am not exaggerating." Maybe if you have time some day in between your beers you could acttually sit down and READ the article and absorbe some of the great information it contains.

 

[syrinx]

The funny thing to me about this is people trying to use scientific names as common names- and then justify the fact they are wrong by applying the rules of common names to them. Its just that people try to use words to identify things they don`t know what they really are, which is not unbad. Thats why PPE is much better for the lay person.

 

[geoxman]

First off I am sorry if the "Costonza" thing offended you. I was just pointing out that you might be over obscessing a little too much when it comes to the care of zoos.



Saying that all "LPS" need the same care or all "SPS" need the same care or even that all Zoanthids/Palythoa need the same care is just plain ignorant.


Pretty much, yes that is what I am saying! as far as different classifications of the zoanthid family go. I do not keep sticks or boulders, but I have, but they are not what I like to keep.

I might be just plain ignorant or just lucky-but here are a few pics of my tank. Mostly zoanthids, zoanthid gigantus, and palys.
I treat them all the same-feed like crazy and uber light! I plan on adding another couple hundred watts of VHO this month.
Ignorant or not they are all treated the same.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1013373

I have spent years collecting different morphs and trying to better the zoanthid community and spread the enthusiasiam for collecting zoos and have been doing so way before the craze hit, and to say that I am an "Amatuer" is far from the truth.

and this about sums it up quoting Zeppelin

There is definitely a time and place to shove the scientifically correct name of any coral into a conversation. I just dont believe its EVERY conversation.

and

I'm done here. Fast57, I hope you got your answer. If you need anything further, feel free to pm me and I'll try to answer any specific questions to the best of my ability.

good luck and happy reefing!

 

[edwing206]

amen!