Where oh where to find a Clownfish Species Poster?

DeathWish302

DeathWish302

Clown Hoarder
It seems one of my LFS's clownfish species poster is becoming as hard to find as Mauritian clowns.....:headwallblue:

Does anyone know where to find the species poster that shows all 28 species to date? I'm not looking for Calfo's poster either. I would like all 28 species displayed w/o the anemones.

Any ideas where this may be purchased?

Thanks!
 
deangelr said:
(I think there are 29 species now)
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Which one is missing? Are you thinking about the Darwin as it's own subspecies or the possibilities that GSM and WSM are different subspecies?

Genus Amphiprion:
Amphiprion akallopisos – Skunk clownfish
Amphiprion akindynos – Barrier Reef Anemonefish
Amphiprion allardi – Twobar anemonefish
Amphiprion bicinctus – Twoband anemonefish
Amphiprion chagosensis – Chagos anemonefish
Amphiprion chrysogaster – Mauritian anemonefish
Amphiprion chrysopterus – Orange-fin anemonefish
Amphiprion clarkii – Yellowtail clownfish
Amphiprion ephippium – Saddle anemonefish
Amphiprion frenatus – Tomato clownfish
Amphiprion fuscocaudatus – Seychelles anemonefish
Amphiprion latezonatus – Wide-band Anemonefish
Amphiprion latifasciatus – Madagascar anemonefish
Amphiprion leucokranos – Whitebonnet anemonefish
Amphiprion mccullochi – Whitesnout anemonefish
Amphiprion melanopus – Fire clownfish
Amphiprion nigripes – Maldive anemonefish
Amphiprion ocellaris – Clown anemonefish
Amphiprion omanensis – Oman anemonefish
Amphiprion percula – Orange clownfish
Amphiprion perideraion – Pink skunk clownfish
Amphiprion polymnus – Saddleback clownfish
Amphiprion rubacinctus – Red Anemonefish
Amphiprion sandaracinos – Yellow clownfish
Amphiprion sebae – Sebae anemonefish
Amphiprion thiellei – Thielle's anemonefish
Amphiprion tricinctus – Three-band anemonefish

Genus Premnas:
Premnas biaculeatus – Maroon clownfish
 
in the Reef Magazine 2010 edition is a great poster. Its still on many shelves. Cant quite remember the exact title to the magazine. when I get home I'll post the tilte and edition.
 
criccio said:
Can you look on the poster at the LFS for a manufacturer?

Missing...A. barberi
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OMG!!!:eek2: Good Catch!:thumbsup:

Of all clowns to forget....I should not forget one of my favorite complex (Tomato).... Doh

I'll have to look the next time I'm there. I always plan on it, but get involved in searching out any sps or clown oddities they have any always forget until I'm almost home.
 
deangelr said:
Is it too early to include A. Pacificus as well?
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I think it will come down to no mag or publisher has an up-to-date offering and likely any scientific posters from yester year are going to lack all clowns from A. Thiellei and beyond.

I have found a artistic version with painted images, but would prefer something you would find in a high school/college bio classroom. The chart hanging in our hs bio class along with maintaining the 180gal nemo tank was what lit my fire in the first place some 13yrs ago.
 
Well Frank, why don't you create one? People will probably donate pictures if you give photo credit. There's probably only 5-8 that would be difficult to get a shot of without a nem. I'll donate an A. thiellei photo.

In all reality, I'd like to see a poster or posters with 29 lines. Each showing a number of variants. Even multiple posters would be cool like maybe one poster for each complex. If you need fillers, there are always hybrids.
 
I SERIOUSLY think this list needs to be revamped. I think each complex should be a new genus and they need to do a DNA analysis on each so called species.

I think we'd immediately get rid of:
A. pacificus
A. thiellei
A. leucokranos
A. barberi

I think the above would be determined to be variants or hybrids and not individual species.

That said, I think a combination of hybridization, variants and population bottlenecks are how clowns eventually morph into new species.
 
WDLV said:
I SERIOUSLY think this list needs to be revamped. I think each complex should be a new genus and they need to do a DNA analysis on each so called species.

I think we'd immediately get rid of:
A. pacificus
A. thiellei
A. leucokranos
A. barberi

I think the above would be determined to be variants or hybrids and not individual species.

That said, I think a combination of hybridization, variants and population bottlenecks are how clowns eventually morph into new species.
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I may just begin the compilation to photos first and figure out the specifics or hybrids/variants versus species in the near future. That classification could take years to resolve...

I think your right in the thought that there needs to be key indicators that are only used to distinguish certain 'species' and variants/hybrids are not deemed seperate species. Unfortunately we as aquarist have not a foot to stand on since most breeds of dogs are 'hybrids' from yester year (think Doberman Pinscher, which has a portion of it's lineage from Rotties).

The question I have is where do you draw a line? The A. Ephippium is VERY close to A. Frenatus, but what differentiates the DNA key traits from the two? In the same breath, I would have to say that Onyx Percs are local to certain areas such as PNG but why did this area create such a morph? Should it be deemed a different species entirely? I really think we are in the infancy of clownfish genetics and only further work by biologists will resolve this.
 
DeathWish302 said:
I may just begin the compilation to photos first and figure out the specifics or hybrids/variants versus species in the near future. That classification could take years to resolve....
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Sorry. That was just a rant. I didn't mean YOU should take up the quest. Hahahaha.



I think your right in the thought that there needs to be key indicators that are only used to distinguish certain 'species' and variants/hybrids are not deemed seperate species. Unfortunately we as aquarist have not a foot to stand on since most breeds of dogs are 'hybrids' from yester year (think Doberman Pinscher, which has a portion of it's lineage from Rotties).....
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Those are called "Breeds" not species but I think it outlines the point well. I think "breeds" are consistent with "variants." A. percula is to picasso what Canis lupus familiaris is to poodle.



The question I have is where do you draw a line? The A. Ephippium is VERY close to A. Frenatus, but what differentiates the DNA key traits from the two? In the same breath, I would have to say that Onyx Percs are local to certain areas such as PNG but why did this area create such a morph? Should it be deemed a different species entirely? I really think we are in the infancy of clownfish genetics and only further work by biologists will resolve this
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**** sapiens descendants of Africa, Asia and Europe are all the same animal, but they have different physical attributes. In fact, a common physical attribute of Amish people is having 12 fingers (population bottleneck.) Should they deemed a different species as A. pacificus has been due to it's number of fin rays or should A. pacificus be deemed an A. sandaracinos variant?
 
Really? It deleted H o m o in **** sapiens???

PC people really need to lighten up.
 
WDLV said:
Those are called "Breeds" not species but I think it outlines the point well. I think "breeds" are consistent with "variants." A. percula is to picasso what Canis lupus familiaris is to poodle.

In fact, a common physical attribute of Amish people is having 12 fingers (population bottleneck.) Should they deemed a different species as A. pacificus has been due to it's number of fin rays or should A. pacificus be deemed an A. sandaracinos variant?
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I'm glad you understood my thoughts of breed versus species, I'm not so sure after I read my post.... I'm starting to see a trend why I'm a numbers engineer instead of writing manuals to assemble kid's toys:lmao:.

As for the Amish, most around my home town (NE Indiana) did not have that tendancy of 12 fingers. One such example that I can think of is the cats that reside in the Hemingway estate in Key West. They all had 6 toes per foot. Are they a different 'species'? No, but they do have some form of mutation. From what I have read, mutation will eventually lead to a new 'sub-species' but still owe it's existance to the parent species. I would insert variant/hybrid/specific origin for 'sub-species' in most all cases.
 
The reason Clowns have not been sequenced fully yet (says me) is because Colleges recieve grants from companies supposedly out of the kindness of their hearts, but there's always an alterior motive. They want research and statistical data that favors their endeavours... and the occasional tax brake. Clownfish DNA sequencing has very minimal fiscal value. It's one of those "that's cool to know" things and the only ones who would understand it are geneticists and the odd biologist.
 
Lorenz725 said:
Is this what you are looking for? Not sure yet where you can buy it still working on that.

http://www.fishposters.com/

just go under
Marine Aquarium and Reef Fish (on the left)
then click on
Anemonefish (Clownfish)
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The Anemonefish and Anemone poster is almost what I'm looking for, but the one I have seen also has scientific names and origin.


WDLV said:
The reason Clowns have not been sequenced fully yet (says me) is because Colleges recieve grants from companies supposedly out of the kindness of their hearts, but there's always an alterior motive........
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Bingo! You said the magic word that makes our world go round, not clownfish, new species, hybrids, variants or breeds but the Benjamins..
 
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