Which camera, D80 or xTi?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8788300#post8788300 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FateX8
nice shots
thanks for the pics
does anyone with an xti have any example shots?

Looks like you really like that Xti. Just buy it already! It's a great camera! asking for example shots of the Xti wont mean anything, like beerguy said.
"at the resolution that you can post on a website there is no way you can tell the difference between the cameras. Even at full resolution it's unlikely that you'd be able to see any real difference. At this level of photography, the quality of the lens and the skill of the photographer are what make the picture. The camera is just a tool."
 
i have the XTI it is awsome i only have the base lens that it came with new big screen on the back is nice i say go for it and put the money you save on the camera into the best lens you can get
 
Like everyone said, a camera is only a fraction of the whole system and probably the least important component.
I'm a Nikon guy and have shot thousands of reef shots both for myself and my local reef club. You can click on my website and view them. All of the macros are done with the 105mm and I recently upgraded to the 105mm VR.
 
Here is something I did not know I am sure others do, Canon has an awesome array of lenses vs. Nikon that was also a deciding factor for me. Somebody posted dpreview dot com which has some good reviews and info on many cameras.
 
I wish I learned from others here when I started in this hobby. First I got the Nikon D50 kit w/ 18-55 lens, Sigma 105 macro and the 18-200 vr but wasn't satified with the macro shots and got the D200. I've to say the macro pictures came out better with the D50 'in macro mode' then on the D200 'auto mode'. The high-end cameras are not going to help us beginners untill we learned how to use all the varies features on the camera. I'd the opportunity to play with the Canon 5d with the Canon 100 macro lens and I just can't get those great looking pictures like I see online and this is certainly not the fault of the camera but mine. The point is pick the one you are most comfortable with and stick with it and try different features, such as AP, SP, ISO, WB etc. If you read all the forum reviews and user reviews in dpreview, fredmiranda and others they all have different opinions and you still can be debating in the years to come. Manufactures will always be coming out with new cameras and you can be buying a new one just about every quarter. Important thing I learned so far is to get the best lenses you can afford because those will last a long time. Just look at the Canon 5D and people are using their old lenses. Just my 2 cents.

Good luck with your choice.
 
The XTi?

I think you'll miss spot metering eventually, but it's a nice camera, esp. at $700.00... if you can afford something in the D80 price range, you may be able to get the 30D, which is a very nice canon camera...

Personally, i'd go w/ the camera that feels better in your hands, but that aside, the XTi is the cheapest meaning more money for glass... :-)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8796991#post8796991 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Alphabet
Here is something I did not know I am sure others do, Canon has an awesome array of lenses vs. Nikon that was also a deciding factor for me. Somebody posted dpreview dot com which has some good reviews and info on many cameras.

Nikon's array of lenses are just as good as Canon....I hope you're not insinuating that Nikon doesn't have good glass. Also, other companies such as Tokina and Sigma are starting to come out with a few good pieces of glass as well...slowly but surely.

Again, it all comes down to feel and the other GREAT point that someone else made: no matter how "good" your camera is, if the photog doesn't know/understand what they are doing they're not going to get the results they want until they understand all the features of the camera and basics of photography.
 
VoidRaven,
I am not insinuating one is better than the other. This is just a deciding factor for my own personal use. I also have had the pleasure of getting some valuable knowledge from a couple local professional photographers. Both pros have both cameras among others. I went based on the information from these gentlemen letting me know there were MORE avaiable lenses for the canon. I do not bash, I only offered my opionion based on what I have learned.
 
Ah, see....I haven't had the pleasure of relying on professional photogs for my initial foray into photography.....but what I *have* learned is that massive wide selections do not necessarily mean better selections....just more duplication in the camera bag :D Which isn't necessaraily a bad thing until you start losing track of lenses because you have too many. Or you start wasting money on duplicate lenses.

Kind of like reef-keeping.....too many options......and all cost $$$$$
 
No kidding. It should be illegal to have photography and reef keeping as hobbies at the same time. My standard camera bag that I travel with is easily 30 lbs. It just barely fits in the overhead compartment on airplanes.














Oh yeah and Nikon stinks, buy Canon!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8808148#post8808148 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Oh yeah and Nikon stinks, buy Canon!


HEY HEY HEY!!! Now now, no need for that! You don't see *me* taking those low jabs at you evil Canon users do you? Besides, if it wasn't for competition all your stuff would cost 4 times as much....that's why Canon sucks you in with all that gear selection, they're money hungry!

















Nikon rules! Who would want one of those ugly grey Canon lenses anyway?
 
First I proudly declare that I am another Canon guy. :D

IMO there are a few aspects to it. Try the camera in your hand and feel them, however, if you prefer one over the other it is not quite the end of the story. :p

It's actually more that D80 vs XTi. When you are buying an SLR system you don't just stop buying at kit lens. It's just like it's rare for people here to buy a 20G, a pair of clownfish, some dead corals, fluorescent light and an airstone skimmer and stop there. :D You should consider the system as a whole, each has its own strength and specialty. For example:

- Nikon flash system is generally considered more consistent
- Canon is generally considered to have better high ISO performance
- Canon has more USM lenses than Nikon has their AF-S lenses, especially prime lenses
- Canon has more lenses in white, if that matters to you :D
- Nikon body especially at entry level tend to have better build than Canon
- Nikon macro lenses options are generally considered superior, you have 105 mm macro with VR, Canon's 100 mm macro doesn't comes with IS, Nikon 60 mm does 1:1 and Canon's 50 mm does only to 1:2, Canon has a new EF-S 60 mm that does 1:1 but it only work with 1.6x crop camera
- Nikon wider lenses seems to be stronger than Canon's
- Canon has more long lenses
- Canon has full frame bodies, Nikon takes forever to launch them.
- Canon tend to update their model faster than Nikon
- Nikon kit lenses are generally considered better than Canon's

When I say one is better than the other in any of the aspect, I don't mean that that other brand's aspect is bad. Both are reputable systems that has survived decades of competition. By identifying what will you be using the camera for is a good first step. :)
 
The Nikon D200 is down to $1,279 @amazon

The Nikon D200 is down to $1,279 @amazon

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8785868#post8785868 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FateX8
Ok, I went to Best Buy just to pick them up and see how they feel. I picked up the D80, XTi, 30D and the A100. A100 is deffinately out. The 30D didn't feel that great. I like the feeling of both cameras. The buttons both seem to be in decent places. Both wheels turn smoothly, unlike the 30D. So I guess the choice is between the XTi and the D80? Back to wear I started. I also wanted to handle the D200 but they didn't have it there. I guess my next stop will be to Ritz Cameras to ask someone their opinion. I just hope they'll be honest and not a salesman.

If you are still interested at the D200 and this is the lowest price I've seen on this camera other then from bwayphoto.

The lowest price I've seen on the xti is about $600 within the past month at dell (with various dell discounts and coupons) but the price on the D80 been around $900 which is very difficult to compare the 2 with this huge price gap.

The review on the Nikon D40 is pretty good at dpreview and at a very attractive price may be an option and the price difference you can go out get a extra lens or two.
 
A sales lady also gave me some of them scenario's too...
She said something like, a Canon person would be one that likes to upgrade a lot to new stuff while a Nikon person would be more on the conservative side. Canon tends to push new technology and features out as fast as possible while Nikon likes to be on the fence until proven or bugs worked out. Canon geared towards more sports while Nikon geared more towards journalism. For instance; a big white lens at a football game, but would you be using that big white lens on the front lines of Iraq?

One thing I noticed was Canon had a big range of lenses that got me pretty confused being new to photography while Nikon's lenses were not as redundant.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8814731#post8814731 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Navyblue
First I proudly declare that I am another Canon guy. :D

IMO there are a few aspects to it. Try the camera in your hand and feel them, however, if you prefer one over the other it is not quite the end of the story. :p

It's actually more that D80 vs XTi. When you are buying an SLR system you don't just stop buying at kit lens. It's just like it's rare for people here to buy a 20G, a pair of clownfish, some dead corals, fluorescent light and an airstone skimmer and stop there. :D You should consider the system as a whole, each has its own strength and specialty. For example:

- Nikon flash system is generally considered more consistent
- Canon is generally considered to have better high ISO performance
- Canon has more USM lenses than Nikon has their AF-S lenses, especially prime lenses
- Canon has more lenses in white, if that matters to you :D
- Nikon body especially at entry level tend to have better build than Canon
- Nikon macro lenses options are generally considered superior, you have 105 mm macro with VR, Canon's 100 mm macro doesn't comes with IS, Nikon 60 mm does 1:1 and Canon's 50 mm does only to 1:2, Canon has a new EF-S 60 mm that does 1:1 but it only work with 1.6x crop camera
- Nikon wider lenses seems to be stronger than Canon's
- Canon has more long lenses
- Canon has full frame bodies, Nikon takes forever to launch them.
- Canon tend to update their model faster than Nikon
- Nikon kit lenses are generally considered better than Canon's

When I say one is better than the other in any of the aspect, I don't mean that that other brand's aspect is bad. Both are reputable systems that has survived decades of competition. By identifying what will you be using the camera for is a good first step. :)
 
I just realized what my real question was on these cameras. Feeling the camera s great and all but I'm willing to give up a little comfort for quality. If you have a dSLR and a PnS camera and shoot both one is deffinately going to be better then the other. I'm talking about cameras not the photographer. Of course that would make a difference, BUT the photographer is going to be the same person and the camera is the only thing that will be different. Get what I'm saying now. It really doesn't matter how skilled I am with a camera, because if I shoot two cameras with starting kits one will be better then the other. And for costs, doesn't matter, I want the better between the D80, XTi and the 30D. So the question again is which is better? If I were a professional then sure they'd all be ok but since I'm not which is better?
 
FateX8 - What everyone has been saying is that there isn't any way to decide which one is "better." The "kit" lens that Nikon include might give it a slight edge but I don't recommend buying a camera with the kit lens in general.

If you were a professional, you wouldn't be looking at those cameras in all likelihood.

It really doesn't matter how skilled I am with a camera, because if I shoot two cameras with starting kits one will be better then the other.

Nope. I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't tell the difference; seriously. ;)

Cheers
 
Does any one know if the XTI improved it's metering or focus speed from the XT?

If they didn't spend the extra money on the 30D , For me it was well worth it . My sports and wild life keepers shot up quit a bit since the change .

The whole Nikon VS canon thing craks me up . Beerguy pretty much nailed it on the head though .

Canon has better speed (Frames per sec. and focus )But nikon gets a slightly crisper shot ( color and detail).

With that being said , as you learn to use either camera you will be able to hide its so called weaknes.

Good Luck and happy Holidays !!!!
 
With these two cameras just flip a coin then.

Both are great entry level bodies with so-so lenses. I shoot a canon 20D, but I have been shooting Canon for 20+ years.
 
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