Whitish film on tang
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Blinkgyrl2987
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Well its good to hear that feebee is looking better.
This morning my tang looked better as well ... the fin rot has not gotten any worse... and the fungus like patches on either of her sides look much better... they are still there... but better . and the little white spots are gone.
Problem is I tested ammonia this morning and it was way up again. So I did a 50% water change and tested again... ammonia came done but was still pretty high... so I did another 50% water change ( I hope this is not too much on the fish) and Then I tested again ... the ammonia came down but it still wasn't at zero like it was yesterday after I completely changed the water. Keep in mind ....water change means NEW WATER from the maintank.... so its not like really brand new fresh but its whats "fresh" for the fish... no ammonia and thats whats important.
I added the Maracyn in again.... and only a little bit of the copper... I figured that if I did 2 50 % water changes that most of both of the medications came out... so thats why I only added a little copper.. because I still dont have a test kit and I dont want to overdose it which I'm sure I havent because most of the medication probably came out... does this make sense?
I know what your thinking I need a test for copper bad.... unfortunately no time to get one... I have tons of work to do for a class tomorrow and meanwhile I still need to go mix more water to fill the maintank.... I swear all this work for one fish!..
What happened to SAT?
Mine is still not eatting.. tangs = pain in A**
This morning my tang looked better as well ... the fin rot has not gotten any worse... and the fungus like patches on either of her sides look much better... they are still there... but better . and the little white spots are gone.
Problem is I tested ammonia this morning and it was way up again. So I did a 50% water change and tested again... ammonia came done but was still pretty high... so I did another 50% water change ( I hope this is not too much on the fish) and Then I tested again ... the ammonia came down but it still wasn't at zero like it was yesterday after I completely changed the water. Keep in mind ....water change means NEW WATER from the maintank.... so its not like really brand new fresh but its whats "fresh" for the fish... no ammonia and thats whats important.
I added the Maracyn in again.... and only a little bit of the copper... I figured that if I did 2 50 % water changes that most of both of the medications came out... so thats why I only added a little copper.. because I still dont have a test kit and I dont want to overdose it which I'm sure I havent because most of the medication probably came out... does this make sense?
I know what your thinking I need a test for copper bad.... unfortunately no time to get one... I have tons of work to do for a class tomorrow and meanwhile I still need to go mix more water to fill the maintank.... I swear all this work for one fish!..
What happened to SAT?
Mine is still not eatting.. tangs = pain in A**
Blinkgyrl2987
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no white poop.... no poop at all that I have seen... I need to get her to eat she doesnt look skinny though
TOURKID
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sat said a few weeks can go by before they starve.
no eating here either. she swam to the shrimp, then backed off
do you have any filter at all in your tank? i dont know why the amonnia would be creeping so much. are you taking the uneatren food back out? I have a little hang on the back pump and i put a used piece of filter floss in it since i dont have a bio filter ready.
mine doesent seem to bad. but the water is REALLY yellow
i tried to get a copper tested i tried 3 places and they tested for chelated copper not non chelated, so it isent easy to get one anyways. going to superlfs today they should have one.
no eating here either. she swam to the shrimp, then backed off
do you have any filter at all in your tank? i dont know why the amonnia would be creeping so much. are you taking the uneatren food back out? I have a little hang on the back pump and i put a used piece of filter floss in it since i dont have a bio filter ready.
mine doesent seem to bad. but the water is REALLY yellow
i tried to get a copper tested i tried 3 places and they tested for chelated copper not non chelated, so it isent easy to get one anyways. going to superlfs today they should have one.
Blinkgyrl2987
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mine went after a pellet touched it with her mouth but didnt actually eat it. then she seemed interested in flakes swam around them alot didnt eat them though she seemed to taste and spit back out.
no bio filter ready here.... some sponges and thats about it....no sand on the bottom, no rock just the tank and places to hide.... small pump pushing water. and the airstone she like to be right beside it... I guess the bubbles feel good to her????
I tested the water after adding medication and ammonia seemed higher... possible that the medication adds ammonia? or no?
My water is not yellow at all.... I have no Idea what that could be from.... ammonia reads at .50 almost in my tank and thats after the 2 big water changes... and adding the medicine.
I may go to the fish store later as well to get a test...
The ammonia thing is weird though but it makes sense.... you know how easy is is to kill a fish in a uncycled tank without the bio filter built up... thats why water changes right now are so critical. But the water from the maintank has zero ammonia thats why I dont understand the ammonia in the hospital tank immediately after the water changes.... I may try getting some frozen food today.
The algae clip was left in over night... it didnt fall apart or anything but maybe that added to the ammonia... I dunno
no bio filter ready here.... some sponges and thats about it....no sand on the bottom, no rock just the tank and places to hide.... small pump pushing water. and the airstone she like to be right beside it... I guess the bubbles feel good to her????
I tested the water after adding medication and ammonia seemed higher... possible that the medication adds ammonia? or no?
My water is not yellow at all.... I have no Idea what that could be from.... ammonia reads at .50 almost in my tank and thats after the 2 big water changes... and adding the medicine.
I may go to the fish store later as well to get a test...
The ammonia thing is weird though but it makes sense.... you know how easy is is to kill a fish in a uncycled tank without the bio filter built up... thats why water changes right now are so critical. But the water from the maintank has zero ammonia thats why I dont understand the ammonia in the hospital tank immediately after the water changes.... I may try getting some frozen food today.
The algae clip was left in over night... it didnt fall apart or anything but maybe that added to the ammonia... I dunno
TOURKID
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i bet it did add amonnia.. the algea. i dont know im completely a newbie. im checking amonnia right now, i dident after the water change, only before, so lets see here.... looks the same. reading 'safe' on a mardell test strip
my water is like pee yellow. if its not the maracyn tablet, i donno... it better be!!!!i know.. test your ammonnia in say a glass of tap water. add the medicines to the glass (measureing it the right amount)
then test it agian. you'll at least know if its the meds
my water is like pee yellow. if its not the maracyn tablet, i donno... it better be!!!!i know.. test your ammonnia in say a glass of tap water. add the medicines to the glass (measureing it the right amount)
then test it agian. you'll at least know if its the meds
Blinkgyrl2987
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good idea! lol... looks like we went on to page 2 WOW...
Is the maracyn tablet yellow? The Liquid Maracyn plus... is clearish white turns water cloudy for a sec and then it immediately clears.... My tangs one kind is looking 100% better... the other side ( which was the worse one) looks better but since it was worse to begin with it still kinda looks bad... but the side that didnt lok as bad is almost completely better.. so I know the liquid maracyn is working.
Is the maracyn tablet yellow? The Liquid Maracyn plus... is clearish white turns water cloudy for a sec and then it immediately clears.... My tangs one kind is looking 100% better... the other side ( which was the worse one) looks better but since it was worse to begin with it still kinda looks bad... but the side that didnt lok as bad is almost completely better.. so I know the liquid maracyn is working.
Blinkgyrl2987
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its hard to add the right equivalent of medicine to a glass of tap water to figure that one out but from what I saw.., maracyn didnt add ammonia but the copper did.
its definitely still at .50.... what should I do?
its definitely still at .50.... what should I do?
TOURKID
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ouch. the fast way to remove would be one of those water conditioners. it removes ammonnia and nitrate, but you must remember im a newbie and that could also remove copper, i dont know. im def the wrong person to ask. maybe start a thread on removing ammonia and explain your situation.
i dont know if active carbon removes amonia but its another option, it would remove all the copper to though i think
the maracyn 2 tabs are a light orangish. so its gotta be it
my main tank is suffering high nitrates and i dont want to use it in the qt.
on my way to kroger for more r/o water. my lfs's broke
maybe your test kit is wrong? i have a aquarium pharmacuticals kit that reads my amonia as .25 and a mardel test strip that reads it at zero. same with my nitate tests, the test strip reads it at 40 and the liquid measures it at 15... kinda a large gap there....
i dont know if active carbon removes amonia but its another option, it would remove all the copper to though i think
the maracyn 2 tabs are a light orangish. so its gotta be it
my main tank is suffering high nitrates and i dont want to use it in the qt.
on my way to kroger for more r/o water. my lfs's brokemaybe your test kit is wrong? i have a aquarium pharmacuticals kit that reads my amonia as .25 and a mardel test strip that reads it at zero. same with my nitate tests, the test strip reads it at 40 and the liquid measures it at 15... kinda a large gap there....
TOURKID
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omg she ate! She was in her lil plastic cave (whitch means she isent suffering from lack of oxegen and hanging near the surface anymore)
so when i saw her in the cave i thought id try agian. marine cusine, frozen, her sec. favorite food. yay!
now i just need to keep up her water quality and keep her well for.. oh 6 weeks or so *ouch* lol
so when i saw her in the cave i thought id try agian. marine cusine, frozen, her sec. favorite food. yay!
now i just need to keep up her water quality and keep her well for.. oh 6 weeks or so *ouch* lol
SAT
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Sorry... I'm not able to check this forum as often as I would like.
Water conditioners that detoxify ammonia may also affect copper, so they are not recommended. Sorry... lacking a conditioned filter there's really no substitute for changing water. However, there's also no reason the water changes to 50%, particularly if you are using good tank water to replace it. You can slow down the toxic waste production if you limit feeding, by the way.
Maracyn-Two and Maracyn-Plus are two very different products. I recommend the Maracyn-Two for bacterial infections in saltwater. Maracyn-Plus is less likely to be effective. It's normal for Maracyn-Two to turn the water yellow or brown.
Water conditioners that detoxify ammonia may also affect copper, so they are not recommended. Sorry... lacking a conditioned filter there's really no substitute for changing water. However, there's also no reason the water changes to 50%, particularly if you are using good tank water to replace it. You can slow down the toxic waste production if you limit feeding, by the way.
Maracyn-Two and Maracyn-Plus are two very different products. I recommend the Maracyn-Two for bacterial infections in saltwater. Maracyn-Plus is less likely to be effective. It's normal for Maracyn-Two to turn the water yellow or brown.
Blinkgyrl2987
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Did you say no need to change more than 50% a day .... that one sentence confused me.... ammonia is looking better now.... I am not using the copper anymore just the Maracyn Plus.
TOURKID
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sat... just want to say thanks for saving a life.. my fishes life. i really appreciate you taking the time. feebee is looking better every minute. i have last questions for u 
the filter floss i have in the hangon filter that i took from my main tank... should i just leave it in the the whole 6 weeks? will it become my bio filter?
the stringy poop... will maracyn 2 take care of this or should i use somthing for internal parasites?
the filter floss i have in the hangon filter that i took from my main tank... should i just leave it in the the whole 6 weeks? will it become my bio filter?
the stringy poop... will maracyn 2 take care of this or should i use somthing for internal parasites?
SAT
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sat... just want to say thanks for saving a life.. my fishes life. i really appreciate you taking the time. feebee is looking better every minute. i have last questions for u
You're quite welcome!
the filter floss i have in the hangon filter that i took from my main tank... should i just leave it in the the whole 6 weeks? will it become my bio filter?
Yes, leave it on. I use either a sponge filter or a bio-wheel. However, filter floss is fine, at least for a while, provided it doesn't get clogged.
the stringy poop... will maracyn 2 take care of this or should i use somthing for internal parasites?
Stringy poop indicates intestinal upset. There are a variety of possible causes, including some that have nothing to do with disease. For the time being I suggest ignoring that symptom. Once the other symptoms are under control, if the fish still has stringy poop I'd try some metronidazole, which is more likely to be effective for internal infections than Maracyn-Two.
You're quite welcome!
the filter floss i have in the hangon filter that i took from my main tank... should i just leave it in the the whole 6 weeks? will it become my bio filter?
Yes, leave it on. I use either a sponge filter or a bio-wheel. However, filter floss is fine, at least for a while, provided it doesn't get clogged.
the stringy poop... will maracyn 2 take care of this or should i use somthing for internal parasites?
Stringy poop indicates intestinal upset. There are a variety of possible causes, including some that have nothing to do with disease. For the time being I suggest ignoring that symptom. Once the other symptoms are under control, if the fish still has stringy poop I'd try some metronidazole, which is more likely to be effective for internal infections than Maracyn-Two.
TOURKID
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hey blink hows your tang? hope shes eating for you. feebees alright. shes much more active, swimming into the current and wating everything i give her. her bottom fin looks messed up, like.. deformed i guess, like it overlapped and stuck together. she wasent using it either. her mouth is white. i have no idea why, but it doesent seem to bother her anymore. hope its healing.
are you going to try the maracyn 2? my lfs said to sprinkle it on her food too... if you do try it, give her 2 tabs the first night, then 1 tab the rest
hows your tang? hope shes eating for you. feebees alright. shes much more active, swimming into the current and wating everything i give her. her bottom fin looks messed up, like.. deformed i guess, like it overlapped and stuck together. she wasent using it either. her mouth is white. i have no idea why, but it doesent seem to bother her anymore. hope its healing.are you going to try the maracyn 2? my lfs said to sprinkle it on her food too... if you do try it, give her 2 tabs the first night, then 1 tab the rest
Blinkgyrl2987
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Hey! Things are going better with the tang... She ate tonight.. I broke up pieces of a frozen seaweed cube and as the pieces blew by her she went after them.... which was neat... good to see her interested in food...
Her fin rot is stopped.. but I'm wondering how long does it take for the fin to grow back?
Also the white fungus? looking patches are shrinking in size... I just hope she doesnt look scarred when she is finished fully healing.... her breathing has slowed down quite a bit... I'm still only using the Maracyn Plus. I forgot to pick up the MAracyn Two... does it have to be tablet form? Cuz I only found powder....
Also I am still using the copper because she has a few white clearish teansy tiny crystal like things around her mouth ...to make sure its not the ick or velvet I'm using that... but it could still just be part of the fungus that still has to go away.
She hides is her coffee mug alot that I layed in the bottom for her to hide in.... and in the morning is when she looks the worst.... my step dad said this morning she was flat resting at the surface thinking she was gone... but then I did the 90% (YES 90% water change) when I got home and got the ammonia in check and then she perked back up again.
All in all I think shes slowly getting better... I'm just wondering how long this process will take... I'm concerned about the taking water out of my main tank everyday and mixing up new salt... I'm afraid I'm freshening it too much ( the main tank)
Her fin rot is stopped.. but I'm wondering how long does it take for the fin to grow back?
Also the white fungus? looking patches are shrinking in size... I just hope she doesnt look scarred when she is finished fully healing.... her breathing has slowed down quite a bit... I'm still only using the Maracyn Plus. I forgot to pick up the MAracyn Two... does it have to be tablet form? Cuz I only found powder....
Also I am still using the copper because she has a few white clearish teansy tiny crystal like things around her mouth ...to make sure its not the ick or velvet I'm using that... but it could still just be part of the fungus that still has to go away.
She hides is her coffee mug alot that I layed in the bottom for her to hide in.... and in the morning is when she looks the worst.... my step dad said this morning she was flat resting at the surface thinking she was gone... but then I did the 90% (YES 90% water change) when I got home and got the ammonia in check and then she perked back up again.
All in all I think shes slowly getting better... I'm just wondering how long this process will take... I'm concerned about the taking water out of my main tank everyday and mixing up new salt... I'm afraid I'm freshening it too much ( the main tank)
TOURKID
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Well, I guess after shes fully healed your supposed to leave her in qt another 4 to 6 weeks (might as well start a bio filter in your main tank cause you'll eventually get to use it!!
Mine stays in her cave alot to. I think tangs swim a bit, but clowns are notorious for picking a spot and not going but 6 inches from it, if the food isent close enough they wont go get it
I caught her spitting food at her plastic cave like she would the anemone, kinda cute shes feeding her home lol
Im using the copper the full treatment and the maracyn 2 full treatment.
In the morning ill feed her, then take out a gallon of water Via turkey baster (i suck everything thats on the bottom of the tank out) then I replace it with 1 gal from main tank, add 1/4 teaspoon of copper (thats what it breaks down to for a gal) then i break a tablet in two and toss it in.
I dont think It needs to be a tablet, just more convenient. Be careful cause the freshwater maracyn looks the same as the saltwater, you'll hafta read the top to make sure
feebees poop is brown agian, and she really looks good. Her fins are healed, 1 fin on bottom is screwed up probley forever, its deformed...
But, I think fin regeneration is REALLY fast. When feebee kept attacking the male maroon, shed sherd his fins and they would be normal agian within two days.
Try the maracyn, theyre all compatable, so why not. I noticed a very quick turnaround with it.
Her lip is the only thing that still looks weird, it white, her lips and all around them. But shes eating like a pig!
glad we are saving our fishes
Mine stays in her cave alot to. I think tangs swim a bit, but clowns are notorious for picking a spot and not going but 6 inches from it, if the food isent close enough they wont go get it
I caught her spitting food at her plastic cave like she would the anemone, kinda cute shes feeding her home lol
Im using the copper the full treatment and the maracyn 2 full treatment.
In the morning ill feed her, then take out a gallon of water Via turkey baster (i suck everything thats on the bottom of the tank out) then I replace it with 1 gal from main tank, add 1/4 teaspoon of copper (thats what it breaks down to for a gal) then i break a tablet in two and toss it in.
I dont think It needs to be a tablet, just more convenient. Be careful cause the freshwater maracyn looks the same as the saltwater, you'll hafta read the top to make sure
feebees poop is brown agian, and she really looks good. Her fins are healed, 1 fin on bottom is screwed up probley forever, its deformed...
But, I think fin regeneration is REALLY fast. When feebee kept attacking the male maroon, shed sherd his fins and they would be normal agian within two days.
Try the maracyn, theyre all compatable, so why not. I noticed a very quick turnaround with it.
Her lip is the only thing that still looks weird, it white, her lips and all around them. But shes eating like a pig!
glad we are saving our fishes
Blinkgyrl2987
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Yeah We are saving are fishies and learning alot!
I only did a 40% water change this morning.. because ammonia was less! and she was swimming more than usual...
Umm I'm def getting the Maracyn 2 tonight.. I'll make sure its the Saltwater kind.
White fuzz/dots are disapearing on mine. ( around the mouth) Patches still slowly getting better fins look the same... For sum reason I think that the fins are gonna take forever to grow back... I'm glad you broke down the 1/4 teaspoon of copper per gallon for me.. I'll keep that in mine... I've only been adding it when I've been doing the huge almost nearly all water change. Because I'm so afraid of overdosing the copper... but if I took out about 40 % ..( 4 gallons this morning)... I guess I could safely add about a teaspoon and be okay... to be on the safe side though I may add a little less...
OMG 4-6 weeks... yeah thats gona kill me... But it would kill me even more to put her back in before shes fully treated and have it go back to where we started. My fish is holding in and being strong so I guess I have to hold in there and be strong as well... You said you were new at this.. you seem to know alot though!
Turkey baster idea is good.. I'm gonna try that.. so I can get the debrises out as well...
I wish SAT would come back and comment on all this.. make sure we are doing things for the most part the right way. lol cuz its been me and you for the most part... ( NOT to say that SAT hasnt helped! Because you have... A LOT!)
But yeah umm best way to start a bio filter? how do I know its goona be strong enough to work.
Thanks again Megs~
I only did a 40% water change this morning.. because ammonia was less! and she was swimming more than usual...
Umm I'm def getting the Maracyn 2 tonight.. I'll make sure its the Saltwater kind.
White fuzz/dots are disapearing on mine. ( around the mouth) Patches still slowly getting better fins look the same... For sum reason I think that the fins are gonna take forever to grow back... I'm glad you broke down the 1/4 teaspoon of copper per gallon for me.. I'll keep that in mine... I've only been adding it when I've been doing the huge almost nearly all water change. Because I'm so afraid of overdosing the copper... but if I took out about 40 % ..( 4 gallons this morning)... I guess I could safely add about a teaspoon and be okay... to be on the safe side though I may add a little less...
OMG 4-6 weeks... yeah thats gona kill me... But it would kill me even more to put her back in before shes fully treated and have it go back to where we started. My fish is holding in and being strong so I guess I have to hold in there and be strong as well... You said you were new at this.. you seem to know alot though!
Turkey baster idea is good.. I'm gonna try that.. so I can get the debrises out as well...
I wish SAT would come back and comment on all this.. make sure we are doing things for the most part the right way. lol cuz its been me and you for the most part... ( NOT to say that SAT hasnt helped! Because you have... A LOT!)
But yeah umm best way to start a bio filter? how do I know its goona be strong enough to work.
Thanks again Megs~
