Why put lime in your ATO?

Sk8r

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It's called 'dripping kalk', from the German word for lime. It's appropriate for anyone with clams or stony coral, ie, a tank that sucks up calcium faster than weekly water changes can supply it.

This is why stony coral keeping is a lot easier than people think it is---easy, as in, "very little work"...as in, "actually far less work than keeping a FOWLR."

First you need an ATO [automatic topoff]. Everyone does who doesn't plan to spend life tied to a tank putting teaspoons of water in. And if you want to keep stony coral or clams and run this kind of topoff, a high evaporation rate is a real asset.

Dripping kalk can completely satisfy a coral-packed tank of 50 gallons, no problem. It probably can do the same for a 75. When you get above 100, it's a question related to how packed you are.

But here's how. You have an ATO bucket. Arrange for one with a lid. I used to use a 7-gallon Oceanic salt bucket [free]; I now use a 32 gallon Rubbermaid Brute trashcan, with rolled-up paper towel for a gasket to make the lid fit snugly. You also need to set your ATO pump a bit off the bottom: set it on a rock, eg, to keep it from sucking up any residue. I use a Maxijet 1200, and since the kalk-drip goes into the fuge area of my sump, I used reducing connectors to reduce the hose size from 1/2 inch to airline diameter: a locline connector hoseclamped inside the end of the 1/2" hose does the job.

Now the nitty-gritty of how to run it. Understand two things. 1. kalk can only MAINTAIN the level of calcium you set. It cannot raise it. 2. it's pretty safe---if you have a topoff accident with it, your tank might turn white with kalk, and it will spike your ph a bit, but the real danger will remain the amount of freshwater you shot in via topoff. You can use a teaspoon or two of Schweppe's Bar Soda to lower the ph a tad, BUT since in such an incident the ph is going to fall back to safe level on its own PDQ, you risk overdoing it.

So: to set up: dose your tank the regular way, by hand, to the following readings: magnesium 1300; alk 8.3-9.3; calcium 420 or a little higher---in that order. Remember you can't add alk and calcium with 8 hours of each other.

Now: for a light coral load, you can try adding 1 tsp of kalk per gallon of reservoir water to your ATO reservoir, and lid it. Test your levels weekly. If they stay up, that's all you need. If the levels go down, correct your tank levels by hand dosing, and increase the kalk dose in the bucket to 2 teaspoons per gallon of ATO water, lid, and continue dosing.

2 teaspoons per gallon is the max you can do. Any additional will sink out of solution and lie on the bottom until you add more fresh water: this is why your pump is sitting on a rock. It doesn't go bad: in my 32, I dump in 2 pounds of kalk once every few months, and add ro/di as needed.

[If you are a 100 gallon borderline for being able to use kalk instead of going over to a calcium reactor, there is a way to hype this dose a tad by using white vinegar, but go to the chemistry forum to ask that one: I don't want a flock of word-of-mouth new users pouring white vinegar into their nano reefs!]

This system, with adequate light and a not so great skimmer, lets you raise really happy clams and large polyp stony coral with, as aforesaid, far less work than you think: no filters---these systems with megalots of lps coral don't like filters. Just live rock and sand, not even a filter sock. A fuge can help; but at 5.00 for 2 pounds of Mrs. Wages' Pickling Lime, this is also one of the most economical systems you can run. If you don't ever let the mg drop, you can run this for months without having to re-set the levels, only adding more ro/di as needed. So just test the mg now and again and you're golden.

This is my tank. All that hammer coral started as a three-head frag, ditto the frogspawn in the center. Any popped-heads have grown their own bases and become corals. And the new acan is developing new eyes hand over fist.
It's all kalk drip. I could never feed this lot enough by hand.
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Is this the same as Kalkwasser? I perform a 15% - 20% water change every 2 weeks. My calcium is at 420 and my alkalinity is at 12!!! Yep...12! This is with and API test kit. Why would my alkalinity be so high? I am showing some phosphates and I'm working to rid those right now. I show 0 nitrates. I only house soft corals right now, xenias and colt corals growing like weeds.
 
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Is this the same as Kalkwasser? I perform a 15% - 20% water change every 2 weeks. My calcium is at 420 and my alkalinity is at 12!!! Yep...12! This is with and API test kit. Why would my alkalinity be so high? I am showing some phosphates and I'm working to rid those right now. I show 0 nitrates. I only house soft corals right now, xenias and colt corals growing like weeds.

12 is high but at the same time not a concern IMO, phosphates are a worry however, what is the level you have tested?
 
Yes: this is kalkwasser [Ger.: kalk=calcium/lime, wasser=water.]

If you get a startling reading re alk, first suspect the test kit, check the expiration date on the package, and get some water retested at your lfs. Alk tests go bad with age.

Phosphates respond to GFO (Phosban, and its ilk) and it really takes a reactor [abt 50.00] to make it work right. If you have any algae at all, you have some phosphate: not all will show up in the tests [if inside the algae].

Your calcium is bang on. Your alk tests high, but that will go down naturally, if it really is. The only thing left to know is your mg. level.
 
12 is high but at the same time not a concern IMO, phosphates are a worry however, what is the level you have tested?

Well, best guess by the color chart I think it is 1ppm. I know that's high, but I'm just learning more about reducing them. My nitrates were a huge problem before. I started out with horrible advice from the LFS 3 years ago. My tanks have "survived"..kinda. Fish live and super easy corals live. My coraline had all but disappeared. Once I bought the test kit, I finally got things turned a little more in my favor. I kicked the nitrates, but I'm fighting phosphates now. For some stupid reason, I don't remember why, I was using Prime in my top-off water and in my wtar changes. I have a RO/DI unit so I don't even know why I was using the Prime.
 
re what I'm using, yes: just google it and you should find a source. My lfs carries it for me and numerous others. It's not as absolutely pure as the higher priced stuff, but heck, now and again (once a year) you can hose out your ATO reservoir. ;)

And re using it without an ATO: yes: just stir a teaspoon or two {depending on coral load} into your topoff bucket, and add with your regular topoff. A skin will form if you leave it standing: just scrape it off. As long as you keep doing that and as long as your mg stays up, you're good. If you have a nano, just use the proportions and you're good.
 
And re using it without an ATO: yes: just stir a teaspoon or two {depending on coral load} into your topoff bucket, and add with your regular topoff.
Just to clarify, when you say stir.... It doesn't need to be overly circulated or mixed? Just stirring it at the time you top off will get it correctly into solution? The reason I ask is that with ATO your noting that your adding it in larger volumes and allowing it to dissolve on its own over time....
 
Yep, one whisk with a teaspoon and that's it. Kalk works the same as limestone in seawater: it dissolves what it can 'carry' and that's it. You could stir it 24/7 and it wouldn't dissolve any more than it did at first stir. Every time I add 30 gallons of ro/di to my big reservoir it kicks up all milky (and I temporarily cut off the topoff pump so the milkwhite slurry doesn't get into my tank) ---then it settles to mildly filmy water, just short of clear---never mind 2 lbs of undissolved kalk coating the bottom of my reservoir. At that point I cut on the pump, the ATO delivers the filmy water, the undissolved kalk just lies there (below the level of my pump intake) and waits for more ro/di. Which will come at the next refill.

As long as the mg level holds, your alk and cal will be whatever you 'set' them to be.

A store may try to sell you a kalk 'reactor' and a kalk 'stirrer', etc, for hundreds of dollars. You don't need them, unless you have very special circumstances of no-room for a reservoir. Kalk in your ATO reservoir is just exactly the same---for free; and stirring once dissolves all that will ever dissolve.

It's a limit of water's ability to 'carry' the stuff. It's natural, it's how the ocean does it, and that's why it is one of the safest dosing plans there is: you literally cannot overdose.
 
Sk8r - If your not running an ATO, can this still be done?

There's an inexpensive alternative to ATO systems. I use this. You manually adjust the drip - it takes some trial and error. I have an auto top of but I never set it up because I don't trust it -lol.
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lol. Angel, I've never had any problem with mine. With my head: occasionally forgets to plug it in, or occasionally has let the topoff hose flip out of the tank [that's good for a floor full]---but not with the unit! :lol:
Thanks for showing that pic: that'll help a lot of people.
 
I didn't see it mentioned but for those new to sing kalk, ALWAYS use proper protection. Gloves, goggles, and anything else you can think of.

Kalk has a PH around 12 and can cause some pretty serious burns and severe damage to your eyes if it were to splash up.
 
lol. Angel, I've never had any problem with mine. With my head: occasionally forgets to plug it in, or occasionally has let the topoff hose flip out of the tank [that's good for a floor full]---but not with the unit! :lol:
I know, I know - it's an irrational fear. I can't help it. :lol:
 
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