CoralsAddiction
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Thanks. I actually never had a tank raised clown come down with brook and never had to do formalin dips on captive bred ones. Wild...Sololom in particular is a whole different story. Sigh.
Wild Onyx Clownfish. Take 3
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Thanks. I actually never had a tank raised clown come down with brook and never had to do formalin dips on captive bred ones. Wild...Sololom in particular is a whole different story. Sigh.
CoralsAddiction
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On a brighter note my true percs are doing fantastic. I'm loving the little black true perc. Its so cute and so little.
CoralsAddiction
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If you look at Chucks page he recommends up to 2 teaspoons (10ml) per gallon for dips. No way wild clowns stressed from shipping can handle that much formalin.
CoralsAddiction
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If anyone reading this thread has to deal with Brooklynella and does not have formalin available, I would recommend using Hikari's Quick-Ich X or Seachem's Paraguard...and Quick Cure if it ever comes back on the market.
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ThRoewer
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10ml of formalin 37% contain actually 3.7 ml pure formalin.
One gallon is 3785 ml but let's just round it down to 3700 ml for even numbers.
3.7 ml / 3700 ml = 0.001 = 1000 ppm
2 ml formalin 37% on a gallon should give you about 200 ppm
Someone check if I calculated this right.
CoralsAddiction
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I am leaning towards using the meds I listed above. We know the ingredient is there (Seachem uses a different ingredient) and the meds presumably lab tested for continuous use in an aquarium. So that eliminates all the guesswork as to dosage that can be safely yet effectively used to treat a sick fish. Not saying you are wrong or that formalin baths have not worked for you. I just find it a little easier and safer to go the other route next time it happens.
DasCamel
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Wow. I'm glad I never used Chuck's numbers, just the ppm calculated from the manufacturers info. Thanks for the info.
DasCamel
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Did they pull Quick Cure?
CoralsAddiction
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Yes. Other than a few private sellers on eBay and Amazon nobody else sells it anymore. Two of the largest dry goods distributors, All Seas Marine and Central Pet do not stock it anymore. So my local contacts that shop there were not able to get it for me.
CoralsAddiction
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The new Onyx clown seems to be doing a little better. He is not agitated or stressed. Just chilling in the corner of the tank. The water is a little cloudy. It's a bacteria bloom. I add 10ml of Dr. Tims nitrifying bacteria to my 10 gallon QT every time I set it up after sterilization.
CoralsAddiction
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I definitely would not follow his numbers as stated in his article about brooklynella. It says 1 or 2 teaspoons per gallon. 1 teaspoon is 5 ml and 2 tsp is 10 ml. Even at 5 ml the fish was trying to jump out of the bucket. I would probably stick closer to 3 ml Per gallon of formalin in the future for short term formalin baths. Whether or not 3 ml is enough to eradicate brook is another question that I don't have the answer for.
ThRoewer
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Are those even pure percula or the percula x ocellaris hybrid (black photon)?
That's just silly!
ThRoewer
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It's just a precaution.
Though I cured a fish wit a clear and well advanced brook infection with one dip and for that I only used 20 drops (0.6ml) per gallon, which equates to only 60 ppm. After the dip I put the fish in a brook free tank and 3 days later the white layer was completely gone and the fish clear of all symptoms. Within two weeks no brook has returned.
Now I don't know if the fish was completely brook free after the dip or if the dip just gave it the break it needed to acquire immunity.
But keep in mind these treatment are not meant to completely clear fish but to safe them. After they are stable and fit TTM with a full series of dips or CP may be used to clean them completely. Though with wild percula I would rather take the risk and not put them through that stress again.
Jrsdaddy
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I agree. I couldn't get all the details, I only knew about them cause they came up in my FB feed and when I went to the LA website they where already sold.
Dkuhlmann
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I guess his philosophy is cure it or kill it because the disease is surely going to kill it.
CoralsAddiction
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The new clown looks very weak. he no longer has the white slime on his body which looks clean overall. But he is struggling to swim and to stay afloat a little. I checked the Copper level and it is currently sitting at 1.5 ppm, a lower end dose recommended by the manufacturer. I suspect his current state is a result of high dose Formalin treatment. Definitely better to stay in 3ml per gallon range.
So far what I would recommend to everyone is to use short-term baths with 3 ml Formalin in a 1 gallon container. Also, use Mardel's Coppersafe in conjunction with Maracyn 2 in QT for long-term treatment. It's a good way to treat for brooklynella, potential secondary infection and velvet, ich, etc.
So far what I would recommend to everyone is to use short-term baths with 3 ml Formalin in a 1 gallon container. Also, use Mardel's Coppersafe in conjunction with Maracyn 2 in QT for long-term treatment. It's a good way to treat for brooklynella, potential secondary infection and velvet, ich, etc.
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ThRoewer
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Copper is the worst you can do. Not only is it absolutely ineffective against brook, but it also suppresses the fish's immune responses which makes it even easier for brook to take him down. If you want to dose anything in the quarantine tank, use CP as that is working well against velvet and brook.
As for the white slime layer - after the formalin overdose that could also be a bacterial infection.
Also, why are your copper levels that crazy high? Normal therapeutic levels are supposed to be between 0.2 ppm and 0.5 ppm. 1.5 ppm is in the toxic range and killing the fish.
As for the white slime layer - after the formalin overdose that could also be a bacterial infection.
Also, why are your copper levels that crazy high? Normal therapeutic levels are supposed to be between 0.2 ppm and 0.5 ppm. 1.5 ppm is in the toxic range and killing the fish.
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CoralsAddiction
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I try not to use copper when I don't have to. My typical QT protocol is 30 day hypo with antibiotics and PraziPro. But I do keep it handy just in case because copper helped me save fish on several occasions.
As for the dose, the manufacturer and Dr. Foster and Smith website recommend copper levels at 1.5ppm to 2.0 ppm. I had used the medication at that level successfully before. I am not using it for brook. Some clowns can have multiple parasitic infestetation at one time such as Brook+crypto+velvet, etc. So I use formalin for Brook and Copper for anything else when fish exhibits severe signs of infection.
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