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[al abaqueta]

I've been following this thread, and reading about coments directed towards a person that most of you don't know. Before you judge a person on the price of his products, whether it be corals or any other good, you should research what it takes to produce that product, or in this case, bring those corals to the U.S. These corals from australia did not come Fedex to their doorstep. I know for a fact how much these colonies cost depending on the size of the colonies and the time and effort these guys put in, cities, gas, phone bills, to bring these corals to the US. I know that they are only going to sell a few frags at a time, and keep the mother colonies. These colonies are absolutely gorgeous in person. Clint runs an honest and fair business. I have done thousands of dollars worth of business with him, and established a great relationship. His corals are gorgeous and exotic. He is making a profit, but of course, this is a BUSINESS. I'm curious, how many of you work for free, or how much "pro bono" work attorneys do. You can complain about prices, but don't comment on Clint's integrity ecspecially if you don't know him.

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9991541#post9991541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
Thats ridiculous and yyou know it. ....... I just take issue with people claiming what a great guy he is while doing it.

BTW, by your own logic, this clint must be a complete idiot to be paying "mortgage payment" prices for corals then. Must not be worth his salt

Doesn't seem ridiculous to me. Clint didn't say that, and I was referring to aquarists paying for corals. If you are a decent aquarist, you should be able to trade frags for new acquistions.

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9991630#post9991630 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by al abaqueta
I've been following this thread, and reading about coments directed towards a person that most of you don't know. Before you judge a person on the price of his products, whether it be corals or any other good, you should research what it takes to produce that product, or in this case, bring those corals to the U.S. These corals from australia did not come Fedex to their doorstep. I know for a fact how much these colonies cost depending on the size of the colonies and the time and effort these guys put in, cities, gas, phone bills, to bring these corals to the US. I know that they are only going to sell a few frags at a time, and keep the mother colonies. These colonies are absolutely gorgeous in person. Clint runs an honest and fair business. I have done thousands of dollars worth of business with him, and established a great relationship. His corals are gorgeous and exotic. He is making a profit, but of course, this is a BUSINESS. I'm curious, how many of you work for free, or how much "pro bono" work attorneys do. You can complain about prices, but don't comment on Clint's integrity ecspecially if you don't know him.

You know for a fact what those colonies cost??? If thats true, humiliate your buddy and post what that funnel web acan he has cost. He charging $250 a head and there are at least 50 heads i can count. Thats about $12,000-15,000. I'll bet anything he paid less than $1500 for that piece. So he'll sell 15-20 heads, make 300% profit right there and frag it out again in 3 months for another 300%. Its america and its his right, but dont tell me that he is some great guy and great friend to the reefing community for doing it.

Like i said, if he can do it great. He can make all the profits he wants, nobody said they should be free or cheap but lets not act like it isnt outrageous. He may be honest but those prices crertainly arent fair. I dont consider 500-1000% profit fair, maybe i'm wrong.

BTW, i assure you that i actually work for free and do more probono than probably anyone that you know.

 

[RandyO]

If that were my Acan I'd cut it in half and put one half aside for myself. I'd cut the other half up into 4 or 5 nice 3-4 polyp frags. You loose a bunch of polyps when fragging. Not that they die, but you end up with polyp pieces, and most guys don't charge for those. I'd put a riduculous price tag for a single polyp because I really wouldn't want to sell someone just one polyp.

I'd take those 4 or 5 frags and sell them for around 400.00 each. Maybe 500.00 for a full 4 polyp frag.


And that's it. After those 5 frags are gone, I wound't sell any more.

And if I paid 1000-1500.00 for the colony, the frags pay for it, with a little extra pocket money.



Anyway, that's what I would do and I would guess Clint will something like that as well.


BTW, I saw that Acan in person and it was hands down the nicest Acanthastrea I've ever seen.

 

[greystreet41]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9991202#post9991202 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk


BY the way, if those are so common and we dont have to worry about them, why the insane price tag?!?!?! pure greed maybe

simple, because they're recent acquisitions and NEW to the scene.
HD televisions are relatively NEW, but they're still EXPENSIVE, but also COMMON. See how that works?

 

[neyugn0w01]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9991848#post9991848 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
You know for a fact what those colonies cost??? If thats true, humiliate your buddy and post what that funnel web acan he has cost. He charging $250 a head and there are at least 50 heads i can count. Thats about $12,000-15,000. I'll bet anything he paid less than $1500 for that piece. So he'll sell 15-20 heads, make 300% profit right there and frag it out again in 3 months for another 300%. Its america and its his right, but dont tell me that he is some great guy and great friend to the reefing community for doing it.

Like i said, if he can do it great. He can make all the profits he wants, nobody said they should be free or cheap but lets not act like it isnt outrageous. He may be honest but those prices crertainly arent fair. I dont consider 500-1000% profit fair, maybe i'm wrong.

BTW, i assure you that i actually work for free and do more probono than probably anyone that you know.

"Fair Business"... Go to your local gas station and check out the gas prices or better yet, look at how much money Exxon and the other gas companies made last year.

 

[Serioussnaps]

Everyone,

I think he is saying he has no problem with the guy selling heads of acans for the prices he is.....just a problem with everyone claiming how great a guy he is for doing so. You are talking about two different Qualifiers. He is saying selling nice corals isnt Sufficient for a being a good guy nor necessary and I for one agree with him. There is alot of talk about people here on RC who do infact have wonderful livestock and are great people to deal with trading/purchasing corals, but that does NOT mean they are a good person. I often see people say "how great they are as a person" and you get a sense that they dont really KNOW that person. Sometimes I think..."wow, he doesnt even fricking KNOW the guy." You just want to be like get off his d$%^ sometimes. I know I would seem like a "great person" to those folks that buy my blastos/acans/ for inflated prices. I would kiss the ground you walked on for that kind of profit margin, however, this doesnt make anyone a bad person either just a businessman in the right place at the right time.

On the same note, someone with great livestock who does quality business CAN be and quite likely is a Great guy...its just not the coral/business that makes him so and thats what he is saying.

What I am saying is> whether or not Clint(i dont know him and likely never will) or any other person that sells corals is a good person/guy is not up for debate on reefcentral and unless he has done something personally to offend/harm or upset YOU then who really gives a flying crap? I certainly dont and no one else should. I know Joe Blow X could really care a hill of beans what we say about him as long as he is selling his corals!

I think the moral is dont make unsubstantiated claims about someone who sells great livestock and is good to do BUSINESS with as a GOOD PERSON unless you really know them. Also, if you dont know someone do not question that they are a good person because you dont KNOW either.......you should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Also, if you cant afford certain corals dont be a HATER...give it some time and they will become more available and more reasonably priced.(no these are NOT reasonably priced but who really cares...i dont see it in them, but for those that do those prices arent all that high) I certainly can't/refuse to pay that much for a head but "I ain't hatin."

Cheers and I apologize in advance for my flame

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9991934#post9991934 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greystreet41
simple, because they're recent acquisitions and NEW to the scene.
HD televisions are relatively NEW, but they're still EXPENSIVE, but also COMMON. See how that works?

Sure, now show me where tv's get 1000% profit and still have a "mother tv" to frag all over again 3 months later. His prices(and many others) are insane and you all know it. Everyone else does it so i guess there is nothing wrong with it, right?

Back him all you want to score points with him and maybe get a few % off with him, but what he is doing(and many others) is what is wrong with this hobby,imo. I still fail to see how him chopping up these corals at INSANE prices makes him such a "great, fair, honest" guy

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992040#post9992040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by neyugn0w01
"Fair Business"... Go to your local gas station and check out the gas prices or better yet, look at how much money Exxon and the other gas companies made last year.

I agree but i dont see you or anyone else rushing to tell me what "great" guys oil executives are. I'm sure you rant to everyone about gas prices but what Clint is doing is great and you back him 100%

p.s.- based on your trading/selling history on here, i see why you dont have a prob;lem with what hes doing.

 

[greystreet41]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992069#post9992069 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
Sure, now show me where tv's get 1000% profit and still have a "mother tv" to frag all over again 3 months later. His prices(and many others) are insane and you all know it. Everyone else does it so i guess there is nothing wrong with it, right?

Back him all you want to score points with him and maybe get a few % off with him, but what he is doing(and many others) is what is wrong with this hobby,imo. I still fail to see how him chopping up these corals at INSANE prices makes him such a "great, fair, honest" guy

sure, first I'd be willing to guess the cost of a TV ends up being greater than 10x the parts and labor so there's your 1000% profit.
Scoring points? No, I never heard of the guy til this thread, nor will I be buying anything. I have a nice collection of aussies. It's not the person I'm supporting, but the philosophy. Somehow you want to dictate how much one can profit (how did you arbitrarily decide 1000% is too much?). As far as what's wrong with this hobby---you'll find similar trends in every single hobby. The common denominator is the word "rare." Consumer beware. He's not false advertising, misleading anyone, sending them something different, etc. He is in line with every single business ethic. Fine, he may or may not be a "great guy." Who cares?

 

[PUGroyale]

Again with the price complaints

If you don't agree with them... don't buy any. Personally I'd sell them for whatever I could get for them. If you check his site, you could argue that the red bellied black acan's were underpriced since they're now sold out :lol: Apparently there are plenty of folks who think they're appropriately priced.

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992153#post9992153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PUGroyale
Again with the price complaints

If you don't agree with them... don't buy any. Personally I'd sell them for whatever I could get for them. If you check his site, you could argue that the red bellied black acan's were underpriced since they're now sold out :lol: Apparently there are plenty of folks who think they're appropriately priced.

Brilliant. Hopefully, everyone will follow this logic. Nothing in this hobby is essential so raise the price of salt mix, powerheads, skimmers, tanks, fish, everything. We can make everything 10x what it costs today and then wont this be a great fun hobby This kind of gouging for anything rare,special, etc... has already ruined many other hobbies. Guess noone cares if it happens to saltwater as well.

Yep, nothing wrong with what is going on here

 

[greystreet41]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992224#post9992224 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
Brilliant theory. Hopefully, everyone will follow this logic. Nothing in this hobby is essential so raise the price of salt mix, powerheads, skimmers, tanks, fish, everything. We can make everything 10x what it costs today and then wont this be a great fun hobby

Yep, nothing wrong with what is going on here

what kind of attorney are you and what's your fee schedule? We could have a blast with that one.
Why is supply and demand lost on you? Salt mix and tanks? Sorry dude, but this is business 101--not even 101, but common sense. I've wasted enough time in this thread....carry on.

 

[sufunk]

I'd gladly give you quotes for a criminal case and then you can call any other criminal attorney in South Florida and see if i'm charging INSANE rates like your buddy.

Supply and demand is fine as ive said ad nauseum. You have wasted too much time since you cant understand my basic concept. He can sell for whatever he wants and that is fine but that doesnt make what he is doing RIGHT

 

[PUGroyale]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992289#post9992289 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
I'd gladly give you quotes for a criminal case and then you can call any other criminal attorney in South Florida and see if i'm charging INSANE rates like your buddy.

Are you the finest criminal attorney in South Florida? If you were you could charge whatever you wanted... and people would pay it

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992289#post9992289 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
He can sell for whatever he wants and that is fine but that doesnt make what he is doing RIGHT

So a lower price on this luxury item would make it "RIGHT"?

I take it you didn't read and understand RandyO's last post.

 

[sufunk]

Well, thats the difference between Clint and I. I dont think it right to charge "whatever i wanted" because some people would pay it, i charge a FAIR price for my services. I'm certainly not the top criminal attorney in South Florida but could easily charge more than i do. I look down on other lawyers that charge $5000 for a simple dui just because "they can get it" when its worth at most $2000. I think they are taking advantage of people and because of their actions, people immediately look down on my profession.

This is the same thing that happened to baseball cards and comic books and those hobbies have been pretty much ruined by the "special edition" crazes and insane mark ups. I guess we'll go down the exact same road here and never learn a lesson.

 

[ejocam]

I am sure Clint is loving the free traffic to his website:lol:

I would

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992395#post9992395 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
So a lower price on this luxury item would make it "RIGHT"?

I take it you didn't read and understand RandyO's last post.

No, it doesnt make it right.

I think i did understand Randyo's post. I said the same thing in my 2nd post here, that he should cut off some 4-5 head frags and sell those. He wont do that because very few if any would pay over $1000 for that small a frag. Its much easier to get people to pay $250 for 1 head, $250 is alot cheaper than $1000-1250. I highly doubt the price tag per head is so high to keep people from buying single heads so clint doesnt have to cut it up. I'm reasonablt certain hes doing it because of what i said, easier to get $250 from someone than $1250.

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992429#post9992429 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ejocam
I am sure Clint is loving the free traffic to his website:lol:

I would

I'm sure he is since he clearly only cares about $$$ not our hobby itself based on those prices:strooper:

Based on the pm's ive gotten, he isnt exactly getting GOOD word of mouth. I doubt i'll see sold out signs on all those acans too quick