WT Chrysopterus for sale

When I ordered fish the fish were either identical twins of the pictures or it was of the actual fish. So I think it is the actual fish.

I've got a bunch of angels and wrasses comming in today and tomorrow. Just didn't want to overload.
 
Not to be an a hole here but have you looked at some of the other fish for sale there.....
 
SDGUY,

Please check our business practices before you comment on them. FYI, we try to cater as much as possible to what our customers want. Because we are an online store, many people come to us looking for specific, rare and--yes--hard to keep species which they can never find at an lfs. That is why you see them on our site. I can tell you that I ship only about 10% of the butterflies that I sell. People usually make a purchase on line and then, after speaking with us when we call to set up a shipdate, they usually switch out the fish for another because of the difficulty in keeping them. Many of the butterflies that I have online have been sold to very experienced and highly regarded members of this forum. I am not saying that all of the fish have survived that we've sold to those individuals but they requested those fish and knew, even better than us in some circumstances, what they were getting themselves into. For example, I can tell you that I've sold 10 meyers butterflies and only filled one order for them.

If we were trying to do anything shady, then they would be highly discounted on our specials page.

On another note, many of the fish that I have seen refered to on this thread do quite well in captivity. Parrots? Most do fine and take to eating pellet food within just a few days. Many, many of the difficult to keep butterflies can do well with cyclop-eeze.

What about mandarins? They are as common as anything and just about as hard to keep over the long term as anything you'll find.
 
Also, check our excluded list of fish on our guarantee. If we were trying to do anything underhanded then those fish you mentioned would be on the exluded list of our guarantee. They are not.

I am sorry. I try to run a fair and honest business. Many people have different opinions in this business about a lot different things. Your opinion is valid that many of those fish listed are extremely difficult to keep. But, it is simply invalid reasoning to conclude from the fact that we list difficult to keep fish that we are somehow taking advantage of anyone. I wish I could list the people that I've sold those fish to, at their specific request, but somehow I don't think it is my place to expose them to negative comments.
 
Red Run, no worries I support you selling those Chrysopterus at such a price and offering a guarantee takes guts. I think no one here is questioning your practices at least I hope not especially if they haven't ordered from you.
 
I was searching RC for "chrysopterus" when I came across this thread.. SDguy is implying impropriety or ethics issues, where there isn't any.

What has happened in the past is that when ReefHotSpot (RHS) gets in a fish, they photograph it and put it on their website for sale. That way, there is no one claiming that RHS is lifting photos from other sources AND he is selling what you actually see. This is just the beginning of the owner's true ethical behavior.

After RHS sells the fish, they don't take the photo off the site. If new fishes come in, they either photograph them or use the previous photo they have.

I specifically requested that RHS order me:
Rainford's Butterfly
Meyer's Butterfly
Triangle Butterfly
Banded Butterfly

I not only collect exotic Butterflyfishes, but I get them eating and sell them to other exotic butterflyfish aquarists.

The owner of RHS would not sell me those fishes until we met face to face. He understood that, not only did I have 35+ years in the hobby, but that I had many tricks to manage, maintain and get eating those kinds of fishes. I am successful at that.

However, as I mentioned above, his practice was to photograph the fishes and put them on his website for me to see. I ordered them from his website and drove to his store (a 2-hour drive) to pick up these beauties. I've been to his store and made that drive several times for special order items, which he still photographs and puts on his site. (BTW, I'm not talking about one or two fishes --- I've order several of each of those on the above list).

I see many marine fishes coming through the system to LFSs and Wholesalers that frankly don't belong selling to the usual aquarist. But there are issues involved with that process. I am not referring to RHS here, since they are just looking for the fishes I want from Wholesalers. Wholesalers place orders for 'proper' aquarist fishes with their exporters (I have met many of these exporters), the exporter places orders for 'proper' aquarist fishes with the collectors, and then things start going wrong.

The collector gets what he can find on the 'wanted list' and even those not on the 'wanted list,' including those inappropriate for the home aquarist. But the collector doesn't care. If the exporter refuses to take his fish, even the inappropriate ones, the collector finds another exporter to deal with. So the exporter caves in and accepts the inappropriate fishes too, along with the ones ordered. What does he do with them? He sends those inappropriate fishes (like on that list above) to Wholesalers here in the USA.

The Wholesalers doesn't refuse the shipment for the same reasons the exporter didn't refuse the shipment from the collector. Now, the Wholesalers is stuck with fishes he knows shouldn't be sold to aquarists. Does he throw them away? Does he kill them? No.

Now the LFSs and RHS kind of store reps come to the Wholesalers and finds these unusual and 'impossible' fishes in their tanks. Smart LFSs know what to avoid. On the other hand, I've asked RHS to specifically find them for me and buy them for me. I make it a point NOT to create a demand for them, so I never request that a Wholesaler special order them for me. I just have RHS keep an eye out for them.

BTW, RHS can sometimes do a good turn for me, by reminding the Wholesaler that the fish they have are essentially dead because no home aquarist can keep them alive, and get a better price for me, for them.

This is how the system works. It was me who caused RHS to get those fishes that they posted photos of on their website. But I believe that if someone wanted to buy those very same fishes, RHS would challenge the buyer's ability to properly maintain and care for them.

It would be a nicer world if everyone bothered to get the facts first, but that isn't the human way. I just thought it was necessary for me to speak up on this matter, since it was apparently I who has put RHS in this position.

I am sorry Max that our relationship has caused you this undeserving grief. :(
 
Look, it's my opinion. As such, it cannot be right or wrong. It is what it is. I never said that people should not order from them. I merely pointed out the species they were selling. Period. DO NOT presume to tell me that I can or cannot have an opinion on this subject, or whether it is right or wrong. Your whole story is very interesting and explains a lot. However nothing of the sort is mentioned on the website. The fact is there was a list of obligate coralivores, for sale with prices, no mention of holds, special orders, etc (the Meyers actually listed as "rare"). I don't agree with that. Simple. Stories, explanantions, excuses...all fine, and legitimate, but don't change the facts, merely add to them afterwards.

And as for "I not only collect exotic Butterflyfishes, but I get them eating and sell them to other exotic butterflyfish aquarists" Fantastic! Great! I'm very happy for you! Feel free to share the wealth/knowledge.

I'm done.

Happy reefing all.
 
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An opinion based upon no experience, mis-information, or assumptions IS a poor opinion, in my opinion. Not sure who you addressed your post to SDguy, but I haven't suggested that you said people shouldn't buy from anybody. What you've assumed is that because it's listed that they are selling it. That is where your assumptions are wrong in the case of ReefHotSpot.

I'm not telling you not to have an opinion. I just wish you'd consider modifying your opinion based upon your lack of experience, knowledge, and incorrect assumptions. But I can say when I believe your opinion is agreeable or not. That is what goes on in a "Forum" which you are participating in.

Nothing is explained on their website, BUT you haven't tried to buy from them. So I think your opinion is still in the process of evolving.

Dr. Fosters & Smith lists the Raindford's butterfly on their website. Did you try to buy one? I did. I bought five. There is no interaction, no question about, 'Can you do it' no question about the size of my tank or why I would order so many.

When you buy from ReefHotSpot, you'll be questioned on such an order. This is the same for other sites where I've placed buys.

The difference is that you haven't actually tried or order any of those fish you claim shouldn't be sold to find out just whether or not they would be sold to you.

There are other sources listing fish they will sell without question. It is my opinion, based upon experience and fact, that ReefHotSpot has integrity.

If it's your opinion that they shouldn't be advertised, then that is a different matter. I don't care about advertising, it is what is delivered that counts.

I don't share the wealth/knowledge on getting difficult fish to eat. It is a rigorous, time-consuming event and if I share it publicly there will be people killing these fishes in an attempt to get them to eat. I think more of the fish than that.

But here is another issue worth considering. Should the hobbyist be buying any wild fish at all? Should the Copperband be sold to new aquarists? Should the Regal Angel be caught? or powder blue, Achilles, Powder Brown tangs. It is hard to define where to draw the line, but I think it would be worthwhile to think of a measurable way to say what fish should be caught, bought, and sold.

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