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[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253351#post7253351 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by duec22
And I would quickly point out your ignorance if you did. A student doesn't mean I'm 18-20...The problem is that the banned person can't even find out why they were banned, or at least that is how it came out in another site when it happened.

Ah ignorance. Now, where did I specify age at all? The comment was much more a rhetorical commentary on the very nature of generalizations. If you read something about age into it, it's not my ignorance that is showing.

As to a member not having the information about why they were banned, well, let's just say he knows. All the previous warnings and bannings had to give him at least an idea of what behavior was acceptable.

Kevin

 

[wombat2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253299#post7253299 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BrianD
wombat2, obviously you don't frequent the Vendor Experience forum, where criticism of sponsors is common. It is impossible to be in business and make everyone happy.

Of course, you obviously prefer to invent scenarios that don't exist in order to further your agenda. I think Anemone summarized your objectives quite well.

Wow, talk about assumptions!

Ask wizardgus if I invented his threat to ban me for asking Race Foster a polite but pointed question.

 

[BrianD]

Your point is what? That does not diminish in any way the fact that criticism of sponsors is common. If you were warned, I am sure you were given a reason.

 

[BrianD]

By the way Matt, I love you way you portray any criticism as a ticket to being banned, yet you are still here

 

[thereefgeek]

And here we go again...

 

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253366#post7253366 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wombat2
Kevin,
I've never attempted to hide who I am and what I represent to the members of this club. I used to have an "RDO Admin" sig line but that got deleted by someone. However, my involvement with RDO is irrelevant in my criticisms of RC and I'm surprised you even brought it up. We're in competition with this site like the Salvation Army is in competition with the Gap. We're a .org, and no one profits from the site.

I would keep these thoughts to myself, but see, the thing is that a lot of people in this club share these thoughts with me. I get to talk to them in person, and people actually tell me they're afraid of speaking up for fear of being banned. Is that the 'best reefkeeping bulletin board' type of atmosphere you want to foster?

Matt,

Somehow I feel that the comment "Can't have competition with the corporate sponsors. That would undermine the true mission of this board" belies your "I'm just an innocent expressing my opinion" excuse. It was an ignorant and inflammatory remark. If you want to make that type of statement, take it back to your board where it's acceptable.

As to fear of being banned, the folks who get banned are removed for real reasons, not something like "disagreeing with a moderator." Repeated warnings for any number of things from general disruptive behavior, commercial posts, and spam are a few of them.

Now, disagreeing with a moderator might become an issue if a person started showing up all over the board disrupting every thread they participate in with an obvious agenda. We have more than a few who pop up and complain, disagree and question at the drop of a hat...but they're still here. It's not about disagreeing, it's about disrupting the atmosphere you like to snidely comment upon. SOme people get that. Some folks don't. Those that don't are often happier elsewhere.

Kevin

 

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253401#post7253401 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wombat2
Wow, talk about assumptions!

Ask wizardgus if I invented his threat to ban me for asking Race Foster a polite but pointed question.

Matt,

Seems to me that "pointed question" was the continuation of a flame fest that occurred on your board. That very conversation that had been "shut down" over there, and you wonder why you would be told it was inappropriate to bring it here?

Come on Matt, your agenda is showing.

Kevin

 

[wombat2]

For what it's worth I have never posted a bad remark about RC at RDO, and never will. In fact, all of our staff have locked (not deleted) several threads that were generated to instigate inter-board rivalry. The reason I'm posting my opinion here is so that someone might see it who can actually effect change. A lot of people are unhappy with the way things are run here. I think the whole Dr. Ron/Anthony/whatshisname fiasco is a good example of this.

 

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253528#post7253528 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wombat2
For what it's worth I have never posted a bad remark about RC at RDO, and never will. In fact, all of our staff have locked (not deleted) several threads that were generated to instigate inter-board rivalry. The reason I'm posting my opinion here is so that someone might see it who can actually effect change. A lot of people are unhappy with the way things are run here. I think the whole Dr. Ron/Anthony/whatshisname fiasco is a good example of this.

Matt,

We've locked just as many negative RDO threads here. And sorry, I don't buy you standing up as a "hero of the people" to effect change by posting in the MARS forum snide commentary about what you perceive as the mission of this board. It doesn't wash. If you have a real, constructive opinion, please present it. But what I've seen so far is the opportunity taken to stir the pot and take a cheap shot. Nothing more.

Kevin

PS - As far as the "Dr Ron/Anthony/whatshisname fiasco," there was a lot more there than meets the eye (again, we don't go public with private matters). If you've read all the commentary flying around elsewhere by the parties involved, you might have noticed their claims of "perfection and innocence" in all their actions have not held up to scrutiny very well. We haven't had to write a "tell all" blog or anything, they've pretty much said it all themselves.

 

[wombat2]

What exactly do you believe my agenda is Kevin? I'd appreciate it if we could discuss this without all the rolly eyes and accusations of a hidden agenda. I profit absolutely zero from anything I might say here. I want the members of this club to have access to unbiased, uncensored information that they don't have to pay for. It is my belief that RC does not share this goal. I think you can ask any member of this club and they will tell you how much I've helped contribute. If you want to call that an agenda, well okay.

 

[BrianD]

Since the situation you portray with regard to sponsors does not exist, it is difficult to "change" from it. There isn't a moderator on staff here that would moderate a thread based on a sponsor's wishes. Whether you choose to believe that is up to you. For you to question others, however, demonstrates a lack of respect for the integrity of those who volunteer their time here..

As for "a lot of people" being unhappy, the board has experienced record growth and record members online in the last few months. That is the only gauge we have, and we will have to continue to moderate the board based on those results, not upon conjecture and innuendo.

 

[BrianD]

One other note. Reef Central has had sponsors leave because in their eyes the board does nothing to protect them from criticism, therefore negating the "value" of their sponsorship.

 

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253590#post7253590 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wombat2
What exactly do you believe my agenda is Kevin? I'd appreciate it if we could discuss this without all the rolly eyes and accusations of a hidden agenda. I profit absolutely zero from anything I might say here. I want the members of this club to have access to unbiased, uncensored information that they don't have to pay for. It is my belief that RC does not share this goal. I think you can ask any member of this club and they will tell you how much I've helped contribute. If you want to call that an agenda, well okay.

Where have your contributions to your club ever been questioned? Explain EXACTLY how the comment "Can't have competition with the corporate sponsors. That would undermine the true mission of this board" is supposed to effect some sort of change by being seen by people with the power?

It was a snide remark. Period. No redeeming value other than to start a fight. Now you have what you were looking for.

Now, as to why a person with a vested interest in another bulletin board would find posting inflammatory and derogatory comments about RC here (yes, insinuating that some monetary goal and corporate protection is "our" job is deragatory), well, in any other competitive venture attacking the competition in such a manner would be seen as having an "agenda," whether poorly hidden or otherwise.

Kevin

 

[sagitariuscbc]

just get it all out guys and let's agree to put it all behind us. we have a lot more to gain by working together than we do divided.
i have gained and learned from all of the above persons efforts!~)
just like liver and onions on a menu it may not be for you but the only reason why the chef put it on the menu if for those that do enjoy them. to each his own.

!~)

 

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253638#post7253638 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sagitariuscbc

just like liver and onions on a menu it may not be for you but the only reason why the chef put it on the menu if for those that do enjoy them. to each his own.

I may have to ban you. I don't like liver and onions. :mad2:




























Kevin

 

[wombat2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253634#post7253634 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Anemone
Where have your contributions to your club ever been questioned? Explain EXACTLY how the comment "Can't have competition with the corporate sponsors. That would undermine the true mission of this board" is supposed to effect some sort of change by being seen by people with the power?

It was a snide remark. Period. No redeeming value other than to start a fight. Now you have what you were looking for.

Oh please, this isn't a fight. No one's even been called a name yet. I know you've been moderating long enough to know what a real fight is.

I point it out when I see it. If I was wrong, and Rob was banned for some other reason, 'my bad' as they say. If so, why not share with us why he was banned? Aren't all his posts in public view?

 

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253775#post7253775 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wombat2
Oh please, this isn't a fight. No one's even been called a name yet. I know you've been moderating long enough to know what a real fight is.

I point it out when I see it. If I was wrong, and Rob was banned for some other reason, 'my bad' as they say. If so, why not share with us why he was banned? Aren't all his posts in public view?

For RC, this is a fight.

And we've already mentioned (a couple of times) that we don't discuss why a member was removed. And no, not everything is always public. Since the member is in no positon to respond and it's really not public business, we simply have a long-standing policy of not discussing it in public.

Kevin

 

[wombat2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253595#post7253595 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BrianD
Since the situation you portray with regard to sponsors does not exist, it is difficult to "change" from it. There isn't a moderator on staff here that would moderate a thread based on a sponsor's wishes. Whether you choose to believe that is up to you. For you to question others, however, demonstrates a lack of respect for the integrity of those who volunteer their time here..

As for "a lot of people" being unhappy, the board has experienced record growth and record members online in the last few months. That is the only gauge we have, and we will have to continue to moderate the board based on those results, not upon conjecture and innuendo.

I think reasonable people can decide for themselves. A business is a business, and does things in its own best interest, not necessarily in the best interests of its customers. Just my 2 cents.

Hey, did you know Exxon/Mobil just hit the top of the Fortune 500? I guess that means we're all happy with gas prices.

 

[wombat2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253793#post7253793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Anemone
For RC, this is a fight.

And we've already mentioned (a couple of times) that we don't discuss why a member was removed. And no, not everything is always public. Since the member is in no positon to respond and it's really not public business, we simply have a long-standing policy of not discussing it in public.

Kevin

Aw, come on, I've seen worse.

Understood. I'll ask Rob next time I see him.

 

[BrianD]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7253801#post7253801 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wombat2
I think reasonable people can decide for themselves. A business is a business, and does things in its own best interest, not necessarily in the best interests of its customers. Just my 2 cents.

Hey, did you know Exxon/Mobil just hit the top of the Fortune 500? I guess that means we're all happy with gas prices.

You have a marvelous tendency to read into posts your own interpretation and ignore the reality. Not one moderator here has a vested interest in this board. It is not a "business" to any of us, and we are the ones on the front line. We moderate based on what we think is best for the community as a whole, not based on any perceived financial benefit to the board.

Your "gas price" analogy is rather absurd. People have little choice about buying gas. They have ample choices about which reef bulletin board to frequent.