Zeovit - System

[rbonafide]

Thanks

Thanks

Thanks for the reply..I have terrific parameters, my alk does come up every so often but I am talking high 6 maybe low 7. I wonder if the water is too clean as I do have sps that do well. I too am about a year in (June will be 1 year) I use ESV salt and I have coraline algae everywhere. I wonder if it is because my biopellets do have a heavy flow in the reactor? (which is reef octo)
I will send a pic tonight. Thanks again

 

[rbonafide]

Here some pic

Here some pic

I'm picking up oyster feast today

 

[rbonafide]

That last one was old

That last one was old

Here's new

 

[epicurus84]

Imho coloring of the Zeovit method has a couple of factors.

1. Good husbandary
2. More dedicated reefers
3. many people seem to want to prove the system, and therefor only post the beatifull pictures.
4. Most reefers don't even get to the state they consider zeovit, therefore there are many more tanks looking average without zeovit.

 

[Allmost]

what really puts Zeovit in a different class than other bacterioplankton systems [carbon dosing like vodka, bio pellets and so on ] is its ability to remove such large amounts of po4, when compared to other methods.

almost all tanks that use pellets, also run GFO .... there are no Zeovit tanks that use GFO. thats another saving, and less maintenance. this is what I mean by full system.

 

[ridetheducati]

A certain level of reefing skill/proficiency is required to run most carbon based methods. Running pellets, zeo, and other bacterial systems do not guarantee success. If it was that simple many hobbyists would implement.

 

[rbonafide]

I took a pic with lights on

I took a pic with lights on

Maybe I should use Hanna to detect po4 because I use pellets and no. Gfo however I get 0 readings from salient test. Picture with lights on today

 

[rbonafide]

Today

Today

Today

 

[Allmost]

the color of most corals above show signs of higher nutritions. perhaps some KH instability as well.

 

[rbonafide]

Almost

Almost

Do you think I would benefit switching to zeovit?

 

[dvanacker]

Do you think I would benefit switching to zeovit?

What do you think he is going to say......ok I can answer for him.

YES... of course. We all can benefit.

Not to make fun of Allmost...he is just pushing what has worked for him, like we all do. I just thought the question was funny.

 

[Arkayology]

many people seem to want to prove the system, and therefor only post the beatifull pictures.

If you go to zeovit.com, you will find plenty of people going through growing pains with their zee systems.

 

[rbonafide]

Geez I don't want to be discouraged but sometimes man no matter what it happens. How could I have too much nutrients if I have biopellets running..I was dosing zeovit amino acid but less than the suggested amount. I also have a large sump and refugium ...the refugium looks loaded with green muck...so maybe there is too much nutrients.?

 

[fisherman561]

where can you buy it?

 

[Allmost]

Geez I don't want to be discouraged but sometimes man no matter what it happens. How could I have too much nutrients if I have biopellets running..I was dosing zeovit amino acid but less than the suggested amount. I also have a large sump and refugium ...the refugium looks loaded with green muck...so maybe there is too much nutrients.?

if there is green stuff growing in fuge, then yes, there are nutritions, its just simple logic

Zeovit is not the only way ... but its one way. for your case, Id advice a good po4 checker [Hanna preferably] to monitor the nutritions, and make changes accordingly. you may have to run GFO, as many [I can say almost all] biopellet users run it. biopellets are great for no3, but not so effective with po4.

I would also stop dosing AMINO acids ... its ammonia ... and if you already have nutritions, you have ammonia ... so there is no need for more. Amino acids only "work" when nutritions are low, and corals take it up, not when nutritions are high ... in that case it just turns into no3, then bacteria which skimmer would remove

HTH,

 

[Allmost]

What do you think he is going to say......ok I can answer for him.

YES... of course. We all can benefit.

Not to make fun of Allmost...he is just pushing what has worked for him, like we all do. I just thought the question was funny.

lol pretty funny there Darryl But not accurate. I DO NOT THINK ZEOVIT IS FOR EVERYONE.
I would never advice a new reefer to use Zeovit, check my post history .... everytime someone new asks me or PMs me, I tell them to first get used to reefing with old methods, learn coral language, and then if all good and you want more from your reef, you can try the zeovit method. [I do not mean the person asking is new or anything, just in general]

Zeovit is not for everyone ...

lets get a couple of things right though

1. I am not pushing anything on anyone .... I am sharing my experience, and I TRY to help those who have questions about it .... keyword is TRY ... lol

2. dont you run po4 remover with pellets ? do you feel like pellets are a full system that can take care of N and P at the same time ? or do you feel like they require po4 remover ? on your TOTM article it sais you run po4 remover while no Zeovit tank uses po4 remover. why do you think that is ? Zeovit users dont have hanna ? or Zeovit is more effective at removing P side by side of N ?

 

[BHD]

Hi Allmost,

you mentioned that Zeovit can remove a large amount of PO4 (Phosphate). The 4 basic of Zeovit are the Zeolite, ZeoBak, Zeofood, and ZeoStart. If I understand it correctly, then ZeoBak, ZeoFood, and Zeostart are used to introduce multiple bacteria strains into the tank and feed them. This is similarly to running Bio Pellet (But BioPellet only feed whatever bacteria already in the tank without introducing new strain of bacteria). From what we understand bacteria is very good at removing Nitrate but remove little of Phosphate hence the need for GFO.

So I am very curious, in the Zeovit system, what is actually removing the Phosphate?

what really puts Zeovit in a different class than other bacterioplankton systems [carbon dosing like vodka, bio pellets and so on ] is its ability to remove such large amounts of po4, when compared to other methods.

almost all tanks that use pellets, also run GFO .... there are no Zeovit tanks that use GFO. thats another saving, and less maintenance. this is what I mean by full system.

 

[Allmost]

To Bugger :
the OWNER of pictures you posted emailed me today. besides not being open yet, they use Ultra lith system, which uses Zeoliths, carbon source, and bacteria source .... you know, like that other German system ? Jeovit ? oh yea Zeovit


:lolspin:

 

[Allmost]

Hi Allmost,

you mentioned that Zeovit can remove a large amount of PO4 (Phosphate). The 4 basic of Zeovit are the Zeolite, ZeoBak, Zeofood, and ZeoStart. If I understand it correctly, then ZeoBak, ZeoFood, and Zeostart are used to introduce multiple bacteria strains into the tank and feed them. This is similarly to running Bio Pellet (But BioPellet only feed whatever bacteria already in the tank without introducing new strain of bacteria). From what we understand bacteria is very good at removing Nitrate but remove little of Phosphate hence the need for GFO.

So I am very curious, in the Zeovit system, what is actually removing the Phosphate?

very good point, and to answer, I have to say I/we dont know exactly but it does ! in fact read the zeovit guide, they advice against using po4 remover.

there are some coral science info on the vit site ... gathered by a very respectable biologist, it points to the Zeoliths being the cause of po4 removal, how is beyond my understanding so I wont even try to ...

another thing is .... you can check this with Randy even ....different carbon sources feed different bacteria, and different bacteria have different N and P contents ... for my azoox system, vinegar seems to remove po4 better than Vodka for example ... so perhaps the combination of bacteria, and mix of different carbon sources also helps ? again, I dont know for sure

 

[BHD]

Thanks for the reply.

Yes I read alot on the Zeovit website and downloaded the PDF guides from the creator of Zeovit as well. Overall, it seems like a balance system and I kind of like it. I thought about it a lot and kind of guessed that the Zeoliths are acting kind of like GFO that absorb or bind GFO (or ammonia ) and that's why we have to get new stones very 6-8 weeks. Zeoliths also act as a site for bacteria to grown on, pretty interesting.

Sorry, have to ask few more questions.
Would it be possible just to use the basic 4 (Zeoliths, ZeoBak, ZeoStart, ZeoFood) to strip out the nitrate and phosphate and get our tank to ULNS state? And then just feed the fish plenty of good foods to make them fat and happy. But at the same times, these foods will feed the corals as well? Or this is a flawed assumption?

Or is it that if one already use the basic 4 to create the ULNS, then one has to use Coral Vitalizer, Sponge Power Concentrate, Pohl’s Xtra Special, Amino Acid Concentrate, Coral Snow and among other bottles to feed the corals?

Also the Zeovit system will deplete K, so we have to supplement K as well right?

Thanks