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NewSalt,

You have some valid questions and frustrations that come along with this style of reefkeeping. It can be very frustrating to be on this regiment and still nto see results.

I think you will find, or are already finding, that the Zeo process beyond the first 4 months is really about getting a handle of cause and effect in your tank.

My comments that were in conflict with GSM were not ment to be in disagreement or to cause confusion. It just so happens that I had been following all of you threads on the Zeo Forum and knew that you struggled for the first 6 weeks at least with Alk swings and a few other things. No biggie, but as I mentioned, you might want to be cautious as your system might not be as mature within Zeo as others who did not have your struggles over the first 90 days.

I know you are currently getting some answer on the Zeo forum for the exact post you made here and hopefully they can help. Keep in mind that many of those main mods are not from N. America so their response times may be off from us.


On an additional note, There is no real reason why you cant go to 1L of Zeoliths, but I guess the real reason is why do you want to? Again, is there something you have read that leads you to belive this is beneficial or that a positive impact that can be had.

Not questioning your motives, but changing something to change it in the hopes that somethign different is going to occur is liekly not going to get you far.

I contribute my success with Zeo thus far to one thing, I dont make any changes very quickly. Now trust me, it is not that I dont want to, just like everyone else, I want to add supplement X and Y to see the results. THe fact is however, I usually travel 5-7 days at a time and wife simply doses off of directions.

The results are positive, gradual, positive changes. Again, I believe that it is because I am not screwing with the process.

I dont know you daily, weekly, or monthly involvement with the tank. But I woudl challenge you to make sure you are implementing the changes and letting them run their full course to analyze the impact.

Hang in there, you will win the battle!!
 
here's my .02

The amount of zeolith recommended for start-up is .70 of the final amount. So for 100g, if the final amount is 1L zeolith, then start-up is .7L zeolith.

Here are 3 of my lessons-learned.

Lesson 1: I need to use between 33-50% of the recommended amount of any of the zeo additives or I tend to see overdose signs. When I first started I was plagued by bubbles and slime everywhere, and I jumped through many hoops trying to get it to go away. All I needed to do was reduce my Zeostart to 50% of what the mod recommended, and the bubbles/slime went away.

Lesson 2: Adding a fresh set of zeolith will quickly strip your tank of the stuff that filters light and can result in burning of your SPS. If you add both new zeolith and new carbon at the same time, your chances are even higher; change these a few days apart.

Lesson 3: Change only one thing at a time, your corals can more easily survive one assault; hit them with two and they could be goners.
 
Saldarya & Canarygirl thanks for your input. What bothered me about Husky_1's reply was, "if I were one of the guys (bob, g.alexander etc..) on the other forum, I would probably not respond to you at this point either. " Give me a break. Whether people want to believe it or not, that's what these forums are for... asking questions. To make that comment is saying to me "forget this guy, he's a pain". I'm sorry when I don't understand, I ask questions. When I don't get answers, I ask again. As far as the Zeo forum, thank God for G. Alexander. He's the only one who answers me. So to him I'm thankful.

So the question is why do I think I need to go to 1L. The answer is because someone told me that because I wasn't using at least 1L of zeolites is the reason I probably still have the Hair Algea problem. The other reason is because on the Zeo Forum, I was told to start with 1L, but the Zeo Guide said to start with 60% of the reccomended amount. Do you see, constant contradictions. How can my head not be spinning at this point.
So, here's another wrench in the works. Because of my HA problem, I just bought AlgeaX, and want to try it. It's directions say that Zeolites should be removed from the system during treatment. When the treatment is done, and I add the zeolites back to the system, am I starting at square on again with Zeo?
 
newsalt,

If you start off with algae problems then you must understand that this is going to take time to work.

It took me 3 months to completely rid my tank of algae!!!


How many fish do you have? How often are you feeding them?

How much skimate is being produced. Are you skimming wet?
 
No, the algea started a month or two before I started Zeo. That's why I started Zeo to see if it would help get rid of the algea. It has not. In fact, it seems worse. I siphon a ton out and it keeps coming back. So I started the AlgeaX.
 
Dont forget to remove as much of the Algae as possible so that way you do not release all of the built up nutrients back into the tank.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12990481#post12990481 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Husky_1
Dont forget to remove as much of the Algae as possible so that way you do not release all of the built up nutrients back into the tank.
Husky you bring up a good point. I believe the directions say no water change during treatment. To remove the dying algea, I would siphon it out. Obviously, I will be removing water as well as algea when I siphon so I would have to refill whatever water is removed from the siphoning, maybe a gallon or so. Not really a water change, but do you think that would be ok?
 
I have gotten my water changes a little easier over the past few months. These days I siphon water into a bucket, and have a seperate bucket that I put my new water in. I use a utility pump to put this back into the tank. If I have siphoned more water out than I have to put back in I will put a filter over the utility pump intake and replace from the "old" water. The filter keeps all of the debris from going back into the tank. You could probably do something similar so that you are using the same water, only filtered.

As far as replacing the water, I have never used the Ultra Algae X, so I am not sure how finicky it is, but I cannot imagine that <1% of your tank volume would cause too much of an issue.
 
Oh yeah, I have also found that additional filtration works wonders. If I go on a cleaning rampage like HA pruning, in-tank rock scrubbing or just blowing detritus from my rocks, I will add a HOB filter or something similar. This pulls stuff directly from the water column and really helps clear up the water faster. I only use filter material and not any carbon in the temporary extra filtration.
 
Maybe any water I siphon out can be run through my Vortex DE Filter back into the sump. What do you think?
 
Well I finally broke down and got some BioDigest the other day and dropped the first vial in. I do not think the Seachem Stability was having as great a result as what the BioDigest will, my Nitrates have been hanging around 10ppm for some time and I am trying to hit that ULNS stage. Using WM AA's with some other ZEO supps for my tank. As for a carbon source I am using the v.s.v mix 5-10ml dose split over a 24 hour period. Will see how it goes I am running a mesh modded ASM G2 with a Sedra 5000. Have and older ETSS coming in this week with a Mag 12 but to get it inot my tank will take some time, plumbing an already plumbe sump is a pain.
 
Hi all

Thought I would pop in with an update.

I am about due for a Zeolite exchange and I have now had my parameters rock solid for 3 weeks or so. I believe this is a Major Key factor in a ULNS. My corals are really flurishing since the parameters have been very steady.

I just put some new pictures in the photo forum....have a look!

Hope you enjoy!

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13012812#post13012812 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Husky_1
Newsalt,
Any feedback on the Ultra AlgaeX
I put in my 3rd dose last night. I noticed after the first dose that the algea is not as dark green in color. It is grey in some areas and very "stringy" looking. In between the 1st and 2nd dose, I siphoned out some of the algea and a ton came out easier than usual. I did noticed that my PO4 increased a little. I don't know what that's all about. Maybe because I stopped Zeo for a while. So, maybe the AlgeaX is working.
 
the PO4 increase is most likely from the dying algea releasing their bound nutrients back into the water column.
 
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