Zeovit
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sailfintang
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I wouldn't see why you could not run any po4 media. Sorry the zeo did not work out for you. I really like the additives myslef just having a no3 problem at the moment that is hindering my dosing of zeo. Once I resolve the no3 I will go back to v/s/v and prodibio since I am afraid if I run the v/s/v with the AZ-NO3 I will deplete the O2 level too quick.
PrangeWay
Duke of Monte Fisto
Figured I'd do a quick Zeo-plug here...
If you click my red house you can see what in 1 month, a property run zeo dosign scheme can do. 3/04/08 to 3/30/08 photo dates (they follow each other). Follow the dosing guide exactly and that's what happens. Reducing nutrients is easy, it's the next phase that gets hard!
PW
Revision. I moved the 2 photos here, deciding, you know I'm lazy but comeon...
03/04/08
03/30/08
PW
If you click my red house you can see what in 1 month, a property run zeo dosign scheme can do. 3/04/08 to 3/30/08 photo dates (they follow each other). Follow the dosing guide exactly and that's what happens. Reducing nutrients is easy, it's the next phase that gets hard!
PW
Revision. I moved the 2 photos here, deciding, you know I'm lazy but comeon...
03/04/08
03/30/08
PW
stony_corals
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Yes, you can't really do Zeo without a reactor. I know that some have tried a more passive flow approach, but I do not know what their results were. I can not speak to the matrix product, I don't know anything about it. I believe it's some sort of media, but even if it's a zeolith, there are hundreds of varieties out there for different applications, some natural occuring, some man-made. If the matrix doesn't develop biofilms, it's worthless for the reduction of NO3 and PO4.
Whalehead9
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Wouldn't that then constitute the "Prodibio Method" of adding bacteria, and a carbon source? That is why I am sort of leaning that way once I switch over my reef in the Fall to a dedicated SPS tank.
I have thought about using zeobac as a bacteria starter and Vodka as a carbon source, but i think that without the reactor I might not get the best results.
stony_corals
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I don't know... is there a method with Prodibio? I know they have supplements, ie a bacteria source, carbon, aminos etc. With Prodibio, where are the bacteria cultivated? In the system? In a DSB? Sure ZEO and Prodibio are similar, but the reactor is different, as is providing a substrate to grow biofilms on due to absorbing ammonia....I know the reactor is yet another piece of equipment, but I believe Reefmania.net is coming out with some inexpensive ZEO reactors (I have a couple of prototypes).
Whalehead9
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Prodibio is simply a bacteria and a carbon source, with no reactor, so the bacteria reproduce in the water column and then foam out of the skimmer. I would think that the strains of bacteria are different in each system, where Zeo products are more likely to form Biofilms on the Zeovits, while the other is more likely to be a pelagic form which makes them easier to foam out.
I have to say that most of the Zeo tanks do look great, but the X drops per day of various components would drive me nuts. I am looking for the simplest way to achieve ULN conditions without all the intermittent supplementation.
I have to say that most of the Zeo tanks do look great, but the X drops per day of various components would drive me nuts. I am looking for the simplest way to achieve ULN conditions without all the intermittent supplementation.
stony_corals
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In ZEO, the only thing you tend to dose daily, is the carbon source, and that's not done by the drops.... May be twice/week you are adding drops of the bac and food.
PrangeWay
Duke of Monte Fisto
It snow'd from day 1 when I got here till March. That sucked. But I'm a mile from lake michgian and it hasn't borken 90 yet, which means it's fun to be out doors. I was back in DFW in July for to play Dallas Cowboys Golf Club, 96 at tee off, man. Tanks is doing great, I gotta hunt down the dude that bought my hot pink milli and get a frag off him I think!
Yeah the Core 4 are just a reactor, dosing food/bak x2 a week, and so many ml a day of zeostart (lot of people use dosers for this). The "drops" are the color tweaking and nutrient portion, which is by far the more complex aspect of Zeovit.
I honestly don't think ULN is just randomly "attainable" I like prodibio, I used it in my LPS tanks and nanos, but while it lowers and helps with nutrients, I've never had luck getting Zeo like nutrient levels with it. ULN = High Maintainence, whatever method you find probalby won't be simple
PW
Stoney,
Think of Matrix as a DSB.....A huge DSB. It has huge surface area. The pores are the perfect size for the bacterial strains that stability provide.
The advantage to matrix over a DSB is that it never gets polluted. I was told by seachem that it never needs to be replaced. Once A month I empty the matrix out of the reactor and clean it with tankwater during a water change.
Zeo is a more aggressive approach. It uses zeolite to capture ammonium.
Think of Matrix as a DSB.....A huge DSB. It has huge surface area. The pores are the perfect size for the bacterial strains that stability provide.
The advantage to matrix over a DSB is that it never gets polluted. I was told by seachem that it never needs to be replaced. Once A month I empty the matrix out of the reactor and clean it with tankwater during a water change.
Zeo is a more aggressive approach. It uses zeolite to capture ammonium.
stony_corals
New member
A DSB doesn't get polluted, so is matrix a fine sand like media? Zeovit doesn't capture ammonium, it adsorbs it which cultivates bacterial biofilms....
sailfintang
Member
Matrix is more of a rock like looking media that over time needs to be rinsed to be reused.
http://seachem.com/products/product_pages/Matrix.html
Info above.
http://seachem.com/products/product_pages/Matrix.html
Info above.
I haven't visited this thread for a while, but I figured I'd post my results so far.
After 1 month dosing Brightwells Microbactor/BioFuel/KoralColor I have gotten better color and growth than I had dosing VSV and Stability. I'm actually using slightly less BioFuel than VSV so it's cost effective for me.
Looking to try his new NeoZeo product when it comes out in the next week or two.
After 1 month dosing Brightwells Microbactor/BioFuel/KoralColor I have gotten better color and growth than I had dosing VSV and Stability. I'm actually using slightly less BioFuel than VSV so it's cost effective for me.
Looking to try his new NeoZeo product when it comes out in the next week or two.
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