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[Spslvr]

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Yes thats our po4 im sure now you can see a pattern emerging


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[BlackTip]

@Spslvr

Thanks again. What I concluded is that you provided all-you-can-eat buffet for your corals. High phosphate, plenty of minerals and trace elements, and a lot of light. All with high PH to make it easy for the corals to uptake. Is my understanding correct?

 

[jason2459]

woh woh fellas backup, its not worth an argument...... first let me clarify a few things..
firstly im sorry if I gave the impression im a scientist...I am not, I am just a humble coral grower.... my partner Christian is a phd student studying marine science and writing a paper on trace metal uptake in scleractinia, we are partnered with the southerbn cross university marine science department under the watchful eye of dr sander shiffer a well regarded marine scientist and published author, im sorry if I cant answer your more probing questions, in truth I don't know.....I will post the full paper in pdf on the farm thread once it is complete.

also I am not on here promoting heavy metals use please don't misrepresent what I am saying...... dosing metals can and will harm your corals.....period...I do not advocate anybody go ahead and dose anything willy nilly and without full understanding of what they are doing.... our systems do not come anywhere near that of your average home reeftank....
I suppose what we are trying to show is that MABE just mabe the never ending pursuit of ulns and chasing nsw parameters is a waste of time ond possibly counter productive, we are still in early stages and NOTHING is certain..... but metals is just a small part of the boundries we push, you saw our ph and ill give you something else in a tick....

Thumbs up to that.


Sorry if I missed it but where is your average temp and alk kept at?

There's a paper showing higher temps help corals deal with higher phosphates if I'm remembering right.

 

[Spslvr]

Thumbs up to that.


Sorry if I missed it but where is your average temp and alk kept at?

There's a paper showing higher temps help corals deal with higher phosphates if I'm remembering right.

Average temp is about 28 degrees celcius, but regularly hits 30-32 in summer its hard to keep temps down even with our cooling methods

 

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Thats a snapshot from winter



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[SergeyL]

@Spslvr
how you are struggling with excess oxygen?
Corals do not suffer from high levels of peroxide?

It would be better to give full information on all the parameters, instead of slices and snatches. This is only my wish.

 

[Spslvr]

@Spslvr
how you are struggling with excess oxygen?
Corals do not suffer from high levels of peroxide?

It would be better to give full information on all the parameters, instead of slices and snatches. This is only my wish.

It oxygen that helps keep ph high which is what i believe accelerates growth, i would love to post full system parameters but please understand we have some parasitic competitors here in cairns who would kill for that info....lol

 

[SergeyL]

It oxygen that helps keep ph high which is what i believe accelerates growth, i would love to post full system parameters but please understand we have some parasitic competitors here in cairns who would kill for that info....lol

Very thanks, I understend you.
I look forward to your official publication.

 

[jason2459]

It oxygen that helps keep ph high which is what i believe accelerates growth, i would love to post full system parameters but please understand we have some parasitic competitors here in cairns who would kill for that info....lol

Fwiw, it would be the lack of CO2 that drives up the pH. I'm very curious on what the tank alkalinity levels are and what's dosed to drive the pH that high

 

[Spslvr]

Fwiw, it would be the lack of CO2 that drives up the pH. I'm very curious on what the tank alkalinity levels are and what's dosed to drive the pH that high

six to one half dozen to the other, we don't really keep alk anywhere stable its been as high as 16 and as low as 6...ph is risen by multiple methods, from ozone, soda ash, to plain old photosynthesis

 

[Spslvr]

this thread has well and truly been hijacked, apologies to the op, mabe the mods could move the last two or three pages to the farm thread?

 

[jason2459]

this thread has well and truly been hijacked, apologies to the op, mabe the mods could move the last two or three pages to the farm thread?

I'm not sure its a bad high jack or totally high jacked as its relevant and interesting. The discussion has been worthy of the chem forum and I wouldn't want this to clutter your thread actually.

 

[jason2459]

six to one half dozen to the other, we don't really keep alk anywhere stable its been as high as 16 and as low as 6...ph is risen by multiple methods, from ozone, soda ash, to plain old photosynthesis

Well, O2 or O3 would not alter the CO2 saturation in the water so wouldn't effect pH. O2 is typically supersaturated at surface levels.

 

[Spslvr]

This is a comment from Dr Anya Seline

These oscilations are linked to photosynthesis, which change pH, which affect ORP. I see this on the reef and pH oscillations (day/night) very well studied. It is interesting that this would happen in an aquarium

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[jason2459]

This is a comment from Dr Anya Seline

These oscilations are linked to photosynthesis, which change pH, which affect ORP. I see this on the reef and pH oscillations (day/night) very well studied. It is interesting that this would happen in an aquarium

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Yes, now we're talking something different. It's pretty well known to those that run ozone and monitor orp that pH and ORP values tend to fluctuate reverse from each other.

But your oxygen levels won't effect the pH.

And the high pH could help with the elevated metals. I'm pretty sure thats mentioned in an article or paper somewhere I've read. But those pH levels in that chart you posted look fairly normal.

 

[Spslvr]

Yes, now we're talking something different. It's pretty well known to those that run ozone and monitor orp that pH and ORP values tend to fluctuate reverse from each other.

But your oxygen levels won't effect the pH.

And the high pH could help with the elevated metals. I'm pretty sure thats mentioned in an article or paper somewhere I've read. But those pH levels in that chart you posted look fairly normal.[/QUOTE

ph fluctuates and regularly hits close to 9

 

[jason2459]

Yes, now we're talking something different. It's pretty well known to those that run ozone and monitor orp that pH and ORP values tend to fluctuate reverse from each other.

But your oxygen levels won't effect the pH.

And the high pH could help with the elevated metals. I'm pretty sure thats mentioned in an article or paper somewhere I've read. But those pH levels in that chart you posted look fairly normal.[/QUOTE

ph fluctuates and regularly hits close to 9

I was just commenting on that one range screenshot.

 

[Spslvr]

yes I know...