Zoanthid Mortality, A discussion

FWIW I have gotten to the point where I NEVER put a bare hand in my tank...now a days with scented soaps, fabric softners, hand lotions etc I believe by sticking our hands in the water some of this remains in the water...I've noticed zoas on the other side of the tank reacting when I was no where near them...I wear gloves, powerhead blast them weekly (just stick the right size hose into the powerhead and have at it) and most of all I was doing daily water changes of 10 gallons on a 75 gallon tank and did not lose a single zoa colony in over 9 years. Even a power failure that killed off my SPS tank barely rattled my zoas....kept the air stone going and put hot water in zip lock bags to keep the tank warm...within an hour of power on the zoas were happily open, even the silver strawberries...
Anyway, it's just a thought...
 
question Nuhtty

question Nuhtty

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Mucho

I would like to thank you for starting this thread...very important topic IMO.

I take a turkey baster and "Wash" my zoo colonies at least twice a week.

I dont blast them because I dont want them to close up right away.

I give them a few gentle currents then I will be more forceful to get any other stuff that may be between polyps.

Thus far (knock on wood) I have never lost a single zoo. Some of the colonies I have double and spread rapidly and there are others which have literally only gained a few polyps in 8-10 months.

I have also had good luck in my tank with polyps that other people said were dead...a few days, sometimes weeks, in my tank and wouldnt ya know it...polyps start opening up.

I do FW dips on all new arrivals, whether from a friends tank or not and meticulously inspect each individual polyp (MUCH easier with small frags!!) for anything I dont like.

I pluck any questionably polyps...sometimes I get more carried away if I have a large frag to play with.

Anyway, thats my habit...not sure if there is any reason to my madness, but thus far it has worked well for me.

In about 2 months I will be moving from 4x39w T5s to 2x250w MHs with Actinic VHOs.

I dont expect any issues...in fact I expect even more growth.

so your having success with the 4X39 T5s? im thinkin about starting to collect some zoo's... do u think you can give me some suggestions as to which ones to collect and proper care? thanks
 
Just noticed over the last 2-3 weeks that some of my zoas are remaining closed. I usually take a colony and place it on a rock, let it grow onto the rock for 6 months or so, then move the rock elsewhere and let it grow out another 6 months or so ... repeat all over the tank. So what happens is that I have 20-30 zoas from the mother colony in different sections all over the tank.

One of these batches just stopped opening up and shrinking. It's stuck on my live rock and isn't a frag so I couldn't do much with it. Oh well, what can you do, eveything else is doing well.

3 weeks later, in another section of the tank ... another batch of zoas from the original colony stopped opening up. All the other different zoas are fine. Now, I have no idea what's going on but it almost seems like the zoas from the mother colony are either susceptible to the same thing (in terms of water conditions or bacteria) or they're just programmed to turn off. Maybe when one set dies it releases something that causes the other set to close up. Who knows. It's ticking me off though.
 
same here all my zoos died except the white ones and I did see some small bugs running around the zoos with my flash light they were moving very slowly so cant be pods.
 
ive recently had 3 colonies die on me.100 plus polyps each along with a few other corals. one day they r fine the next day they r all closed up with some kind of slime.has anyone noticed little clear or red bugs on the rocks not pods something else? the only way i can see them is to look at one spot on the rock were coraline is and u can see them move. im thinking it might be some kind of parasite that is eating the coral. i dont have any sps in the tank(zoo&lps only) so those r not red bugs im seeing. the reason i bring this up is im having the same problems as mentioned in other posts.im about to do a interceptor treatment and see how it goes as nothing else has worked.as i said there r little bugs on the rock so small i cant get a pic and all perams have been stable.just bringing this up to see if anyone else has noticed these bugs when having zoos die?
 
Could someone tell me what the best lighting is for zoos. I have read this thread and there seems to be a few different opinions. I know that happens a lot in this hobby but at what depth with each particular lighting is what I need help with.

Thank you
 
So other than low salinity, bugs eating it and lack of iodine, any other ideas?

I lost zoas this way before. Polys seems to do well.

I really like to know what melts my zoas.
 
Old but great thread. Funny though, no real cures for crappy looking zoas. I have very healthy sps, rics and evan palys with good water params.

I have about 13 zoa varieties, all looked great at one time and for the last few months they look like crap. I have FW dipped twice with slight improvement each time and added a sixline wrasse cause I thought pods might be the problem. Again, slight improvement but nothing dramatic.

I guess zoas aren't for this tank for some unknown reason.

Any ideas for crappy zoa syndrome?? :)
 
Hummm...

I've spent some time reading all pages here.

It's a very informative thread!!

I have to admit that I've never tried the actinic only when introducing any zoanthids in my system. That will be something to consider trying next time, even though I never had problems with the polyps not opening for too long after dipped and introduced.

I just want to leave here some of my thoughts too, hoping to contribute and participate...

I use Lugol's solution or iodine tincture dips for every single new zoas before I put them in my display tank. For every 8 - 10 oz of fresh water, or tank water, I use 3 to 5 drops of Lugol's or iodine tincture and let it set for 3 -5 minutes at a time. The treatment described works great!!! Nearly 100% of even damaged zoas treated that way are recovering in a short period of time. All the zoas are cleaned with tweezers in order to remove decaying organisms like sponges and other creatures like small crabs and such.

I truly believe that some species of zoas are more vulnerable to bacterial infections than others. The vulnerability could be related to the needs of such species, affecting their metabolism little by little, once it's so hard to determinate the optimal parameters and conditions for each of the individual colonies we have in our systems. And we just can't supply all their needs, specially because we really don't know what those specific needs would be, most of the time. So the solution is to find a common denominator for the artificial environment we want to create. That is the combination of the best light, water motion, chemistry, temperature and food particles. A stable and good maintenance schedule is very important. Partial water changes and optimal filtration. Strong skimmer and occasional detritus removal.

The best environment offered to many species of zoas in closed systems are still, generally speaking, clean water, moderated to relatively strong water flow, stable parameters and strong light. Those are the basic requirements IMO.

A system with poor water quality, low water flow, sudden daily changes in water params and inadequate light will contribute to bacterial infection problems of many types. Even fishes will suffer, as many of us know already!!

I don't blow the zoas, but I do siphon them out carefully once in a while to remove access detritus. That is to prevent any of the weird stuff read in this long thread!!! I'm having success since I've done that, but I do that every 3 months or so.

I did have those inexplainable zoa infections in the past!!

Another measure I've taken, and I believe that is the best decision I ever did for my zoas, regardless bacterial infections, is to target feed them small amounts of dry coral food. Some of the colonies I've lost in the past could be saved if I knew that before!!! I actually was able to bring many colonies out of "melting", target feeding them. That includes small tiny species of zoanthus!! They were melting without films of any sort on them. That type of melting, I believe, is a lack of nutrients or starvation. I believe that after a while the zoas just can't rely on zooxanthellae alone, specially if there is lack of the so needed nutrients to be absorbed or from particles. Quality food particles are very welcome and should be part of zoas' maintenance in aquaria IMO. Target feeding stimulates polyp contraction and improves color and reproductive rates.

To feed my polyps I turn off water pumps and feed only small amounts of particle foods, waiting them to close with the food. They open a while later, digesting their food. I use Reef Roids, Coral Frenzy and other dry coral foods.

I also believe in the administration of amino acids and vitamins in small scale. I've been using such additives but really can't proof anything because haven't done any tests myself.

The zoanthid's immunization system is boosted with the use of food particles, amino acids and vitamins and therefore they are strong to fight agains any bacterial attempt. Also, if they don't get weak because of the lack of feeding, bacteria doesn't take advantage and I would attribute my success to it.

Melting is not aways bacterial infection, but starvation due to their need of food particles and absorption of nutrients from the water.

Very good thread!!
I'm sure many could add much more to it !!!
I'm looking forward to read more...

Thanks to Spirofucci for bringing this to my attention after so long!!
Nice avatar, by the way!!!! :D

Grandis.
 
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..I wear gloves, powerhead blast them weekly (just stick the right size hose into the powerhead and have at it) and most of all I was doing daily water changes of 10 gallons on a 75 gallon tank and did not lose a single zoa colony in over 9 years.
Anyway, it's just a thought...

this is pretty impressive impressive results, i might start blasting my zoas too
 
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