Zoa's

[froggy4112]

What has been each of your experiences to make Zoanthids not only survive, but thrive? I have some cinnamon brown polyps and just bought some green Zoas to add some nice bright color to the tank. I read about them and it said they like bright ( 4x39w T-5s I have) I put them up high in the rock pile. and they like meaty foods (been feeding brine shrimp). But what does everyone else do with theirs?

 

[demonsp]

Cyclops much better and fead often then flow so food can pass by them for capture. Zoos will tend to expand toward the dirrection they perfer?

http://www.asira.org/caresheets

 

[froggy4112]

wow, thanks. that is a pretty cool site with tons of what is hopefully good info.

 

[Aquarist007]

I feed all corals a mixture of reef snow,mysis and frozen cyclopeeze. I usually feed at dusk when only the attinics are on
I turn off the main pump but keep the ph's on for circulation

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12501362#post12501362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
Cyclops much better and fead often then flow so food can pass by them for capture. Zoos will tend to expand toward the dirrection they perfer?

http://www.asira.org/caresheets

you must have huge corals---cyclops are a little on the huge side for my corals to eat--I have to use cyclopeeze:lol:

 

[Toddrtrex]

I have never directly fed any of my zoas, and they are doing great and spreading. In my tank I keep them in the lower 1/3 of the tank, with most of them on the sand bed. (( I am using 2*250 MH, 20 K ))

 

[demonsp]

First marine snow has little use on coral more for pods and worms. Then Cylops is cool it comes in bars like candy bars and is a small particle meat food for fish and coral and inverts and pods and , and /With cyclops a little goes a long way. Brine shrimp also great. If you read the feeding requirments at the coral care site not one mentions marine snow. If you tank is well fead then all stock benefit. I feed flake in the morning and then brine and marine cusine and mix pack with cyclops add with regular feeding every other day. Its more about how often and the variety.
I also target feed zoos with turkey baster at least 1 time weekly , if they catch it then close to eat then they would like this and if food is plenty and water quality decent then theres no reson not to multiply.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12502269#post12502269 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
you must have huge corals---cyclops are a little on the huge side for my corals to eat--I have to use cyclopeeze:lol:

 

[demonsp]

The one i buy from LFS is in a red bar form but this is the dame.

http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idproduct~SB6223.html

 

[Peter Eichler]

Many many zoanthids exhibit no prey capture, at least not with something as large as a rotifer which is quite small by coral food standards. I probably have dozens of varieties of zoanthids and very few will benefit from target feeding. Most zoanthids, what is often refered to as seatmats, are highly autotrophic and probably receive the remainder of their nutrition from absorbing various compounds, bacteria, and taking in tiny particulate matter.

In short, with many zoanthids you're wasting your time by blasting them with a turkey baster full of marine snow (or similar) and cyclopeeze. Lastly, the smaller polyped and closely spaced zoanthids that form mats that are popular in the hobby seem to be the least likely to exhibit prey capture.

 

[demonsp]

As for any benefit i have no idea but the fact they will grab and eat food target to them then they most benefit in someway. I dont do often as i dont want them to depend on this. But i have button poylps that will take to target feeding and these that will target,i have also fead small bits of raw shrimp to hairry mushrooms , he opened his mouth after adding food to tank so i tried and he took it. I was only able to do this twice long ago and my guess is there where just very hungry and in my learning stages i wasnt feeding a balanced diet and enough of it. Wish i ahd a pic. But heres the zoos that will take brine.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12502954#post12502954 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Many many zoanthids exhibit no prey capture, at least not with something as large as a rotifer which is quite small by coral food standards. I probably have dozens of varieties of zoanthids and very few will benefit from target feeding. Most zoanthids, what is often refered to as seatmats, are highly autotrophic and probably receive the remainder of their nutrition from absorbing various compounds, bacteria, and taking in tiny particulate matter.

In short, with many zoanthids you're wasting your time by blasting them with a turkey baster full of marine snow (or similar) and cyclopeeze. Lastly, the smaller polyped and closely spaced zoanthids that form mats that are popular in the hobby seem to be the least likely to exhibit prey capture.

 

[Peter Eichler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503003#post12503003 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
As for any benefit i have no idea but the fact they will grab and eat food target to them then they most benefit in someway. I dont do often as i dont want them to depend on this. But i have button poylps that will take to target feeding and these that will target,i have also fead small bits of raw shrimp to hairry mushrooms , he opened his mouth after adding food to tank so i tried and he took it. I was only able to do this twice long ago and my guess is there where just very hungry and in my learning stages i wasnt feeding a balanced diet and enough of it. Wish i ahd a pic. But heres the zoos that will take brine.

Just looking at them what you have is one that I would guess would exhibit prey capture, as do most zoanthud called button polyps in the hobby. What you have would be called Palys by many in the hobby and they often do exhibit prey capture, though they're probably just a different species of Zoanthus rather than a Palythoa. The classification of zoanthids as a whole still seems to be quite messed up even after much reclassification, and we in the hobby seem to insist on making things even more confusing.

 

[demonsp]

I bought them under the name Pink Panthers on line. They are more like a button poylp. I also think its in every reefers ability to just try and target feed all coral and whatch there response. ITs all about learning. My sally gobble brine up ( i know its not a coral but its very cool to whatch ) and insures this iffy crab is well fead and happy.
Sounds like you have a good understanding and your advice has been repeated many times even my brother who has a very nice tank says not needed.Still cool though.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503040#post12503040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Just looking at them what you have is one that I would guess would exhibit prey capture, as do most zoanthud called button polyps in the hobby. What you have would be called Palys by many in the hobby and they often do exhibit prey capture, though they're probably just a different species of Zoanthus rather than a Palythoa. The classification of zoanthids as a whole still seems to be quite messed up even after much reclassification, and we in the hobby seem to insist on making things even more confusing.

 

[demonsp]

And i think there all still part of the anemone family.

 

[Peter Eichler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503159#post12503159 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
And i think there all still part of the anemone family.

Technically they are not anemones, nor are they corals. If you really want to call them something other than a zoanthid use stoloniferan.

 

[demonsp]

Thanks for that info.First time i heard it and helps me understand better.
:beer:

http://www.peteducation.com/category_summary.cfm?cls=16&cat=1931

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503222#post12503222 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Technically they are not anemones, nor are they corals. If you really want to call them something other than a zoanthid use stoloniferan.

 

[Peter Eichler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503391#post12503391 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
Thanks for that info.First time i heard it and helps me understand better.
:beer:

http://www.peteducation.com/category_summary.cfm?cls=16&cat=1931

That link is a perfect example of why people in this hobby are often confused. In the same description it calls them colonial anemones and polyp corals:eek2:

 

[demonsp]

So many do get confused on so many differant levels. I think since many replys are more from personal experiance and nobodys tanks are the same then you need to weed out fact from fiction. I think if anybody cant back up any recomendation with other sources then they are risking your money on there advice experiance.
My thing is the basics. Get the basics down and the rest will fall in place, but as soon as someone sees phospahte they figure all they need is a reactor then after they have it and phosphats still around they wonder why and then spend more un needed money. I see so many who either have no aspect of flow and what a cycle even is. This is a pieces of earth an actuall piece of the ocean in My Living Room and this delicate eco system needs the basic understanding for any kind of results IN THE LONG RUN.
It s the time factor,many problems like flow or overstocking or mis informed reefers take time to show ONLY confuseing them more,god i can type about this al night , Blaa , Blaa ,Blaa.
I am wierd...................................

 

[pledosophy]

I grow zoa's pretty readily in the bottom third of my tank with the same lights. They do like some flow IME.

A few of my zoa's do accept food, but most do not. I don't target feed any of them just watch them catch whatever.

Just be patient and they will grow in time.

I find it best for me to have at least ten different frags of 10 different species.

 

[demonsp]

If you see them multiply in 1 dirrection more then they could be reaching out to better conditions like light or flow of food availibility.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503578#post12503578 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
I grow zoa's pretty readily in the bottom third of my tank with the same lights. They do like some flow IME.

A few of my zoa's do accept food, but most do not. I don't target feed any of them just watch them catch whatever.

Just be patient and they will grow in time.

I find it best for me to have at least ten different frags of 10 different species.