Zoo non-reef tanks

laxing22

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Hey guys, I know this is a reef forum, but I thought this would still be of interest to many locals. For those of you who don’t know me (I have not had a reef tank in a while), I’m Ben and am basically just a nature nut who likes to put a little back to nature and share my love of it with others (like many of you).

As many of you know, Jerry got the ball rolling here (with the help of many of you) for our wonderful reef tank at “The Binghamton Zoo at Ross Park”. Anyhow thanks to Jerry pointing me in the right direction, I am now starting work with Mike Janis (Zoo director) for a few new aquatic exhibits in a brand new building at the base of the zoo (right past the pond). The building will have several sections, but the middle is the area I get to work in. The main attraction will be that of a Hellbender salamander (http://www.hellbenders.org/) the area we have to work with is only about 4’ wide, but plenty of depth and height (they get up to 29”!). It looks like we will get the most out of the area buy making a cement pond (similar to the otters). Being that the Hellbender spend 95% of its time under water, we need a little land but not much. This display will be at the end of a sort of hall like room. The walls of this room will have other tanks, and run about 20’.

Basically what I would like to get back from you guys:
Any thoughts on a local species that could live on the land with the Hellbender â€"œ preferable something that likes water but will spend most of its time on land as we don’t need it eaten. The Hellbender with be the main display, but spend most of their day hiding under rocks, not moving and fully camouflaged in so many will see an empty tank with a lot of rocks. We will put some local mino’s in the tank, but these are almost secondary feedings. (did I mention these get 29”?)

The zoo has a budget, but obviously depends on the generosity of others. Both in labor and in donations of extra equipment. I will post needs as they arise, but I have spoken with some of you already on needs. One major issue with the hellbender is they need major flow and extra clean water (they breathe through their skin). So outside of the main tank, a sump will be needed with filtration and a big strong return pump.

Thoughts from you guys….
What should go in some of the other tanks. This building is being built to show diversity in the animal kingdom both locally and abroad. For example a snow leopard will be on one side of the building with a cougar on the other to so adaption and its advantages and disadvantages (snow leopard are disappearing while the cougar is the most divers and abundant wild cat.) Some thought the zoo has is a emerald boa, tree frogs, Eastern Red Spotted Newts (Ref Efts) and different gecko’s (not in the same tank â€"œ lol) Anyhow, Mike asked me if I would be willing to put some time into this too (and I obviously said yes). Some things to conceder is we can stack tanks as a display, but the upper tanks would need creatures that are not bottom dwelling so parents are not picking kids up all day to look at something.
On this same note. Anyone with some spare tanks â€"œ speak up! They don’t even need to hold water (let me know though) So if you have that 75 gal tank with the slow leak in the garage that you have not gotten yourself to get rid of yet, the zoo could use it.

Anyhow, thanks in advance for any help. Please feel free to post here, or IM me (esp. if you want my email or phone number.)
 
Hey Ben... nice meeting you at the zoo Saturday. I'm interested in helping out. Before venturing into saltwater/reef systems I was very much into freshwater biotopes and have built several tanks (glass, wood, cement, VW's... you name it.)

Anyway... I don't know if you have ever been to the Cape May Zoo (very awesome!) but they have a 4 to 5 hundred gallon open-top tank in the middle of the room. It is viewable on 4 sides and has an island in the middle. It houses turtles, fish and if I remember correctly, hellbenders. I've taken hundreds of photos down there so I'm sure I have some of the setup if you're interested.

Tony
 
That tank sounds sweet! I want one in my living room!.
A turtle or two may be a good fit in that tank. They even both eat the same things (Hellbenders mostly eat cryfish). Both would also need pretty much the same setup.

Keep the idea's rolling!
 
Right now we really have a blank canvas. Most of the outer cement walls are up on the building. Basically I am thinking that a display like the otter would work better then a glass standard tank. Both in cost and esthetics. Being that the hellbenders get so big and we only have a 4 viewing area, an adequately sized and shaped glass tank will be hard to find and rather costly.
We could also handle the rock work a lot better too with cement and give it a more natural look to the overall tank. That being said, Hellbenders can’t have silt in their tank and really need lots and lots of rock work and I think a cement tank will work a whole lot better for this
- Dan, we may need to repel back down the gorge when the ice melts.
 
why not do a plywood epoxy tank then, it will be much easier to mount glass sides as well as much easier to make the edges of the glass leak proof.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14144497#post14144497 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by laxing22

- Dan, we may need to repel back down the gorge when the ice melts.
Alright, get out the rock climbing gear! (Actually, I still have a closet full of all the rocks/etc... from our various paludarium projects) :D
 
Well, that may work well too and is why I posted here. Mike Janis had just suggested cement because they have a lot of tanks like that at the zoo and I told him I felt an all glass tank was a bad idea. Can you integrate land as easily with a plywood tank as you can with cement? How about curvature to allow sloping sides?

Keep the idea’s flowing!
 
We do a combination of wood and cement, using the wood as the main structure and do the rock/land formations from foam coated with cement.
 
I'm very glad that another one of us are putting their passion and talents towards the public good. I continue to be amazed by how selflessly so many here have donated time, corals, expertise etc. to the zoo project. I'm sure you'll be able to tap people's brains here even if this isn't their primary area of knowledge or interest. I might suggest you see if their are forums or organiztions regarding this particular hobby. Perhaps then you can start a local organization that could then pool their efforts around this zoo project. In fact, that is how STRS started almost two years ago.
 
two years ago already...LoL...dam I'm getting old.

the main concern I would have is how to bond glass to cement. all of the large aquariums that hold water and are made of cement have acrylic which would get scratched very quickly, one of the main reasons we didn't use it for the fish tank there.
 
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