130 X 36 x 36 inbound...any suggestions?

[sczlars]

Hey Lars,

Sorry to hear about the loss...
Ime/imo, the easiest way to a healthy dt is to qt all livestock, so, I focus pretty heavily on that whole process and take my time, lol, a min of 8 weeks. Observation plays a large part and meds are used too...basic meds like Cupramine and Prazipro can be helpful and there are others if those do not help.. some meds are quite potent and need to be used with caution...
It sounds like your qt might be contaminated...consider cleaning it out with a mild bleach soluton to make sure it is "clean" and start over.
Be really careful with cross-contamination between the qt and dt- water, fingers, hands, arms, nets, tools, pvc, rock etc. should not be passed between the 2 systems without a thorough cleaning...if possible, try to keep the qt quite a distance away from your dt.

Good luck with all!

TK

Hey TK, thanks for that. Oh, the QT (really a small second tank, with LR, sand, pods, algae, bristleworms) is definitely contaminated, and as they are in separate rooms, I keep things apart, but here's the thing; I don't think the fish in the DT would be too bothered.

Anyway, QT will sit fallow for a while here. Here's the situation though: the last 2 fish went into the QT first and lived there for months, dealt with some minor ich and beat it off to the point where it wasn't visible anymore, after which they went into the DT. I take things really slow. The last fish though, a collare butterfly, didn't handle the ich well at all. It had some spots when I got it, they went away, but came back in force. In retrospect, after the initial drop-off, or when they started reappearing, I should have taken the fish into a different tank and used cupramine or formalin, but since the fish seemed otherwise healthy, chowing clam with gusto, I figured it would be ok.

Pretty much every fish from the local LFS's has been exposed to ich, and in general it hasn't been much of a problem. I realize there are different philosophies regarding all this.

Up for consideration is that the next tank move/upgrade might involve putting the fish in a bare box in an attempt to get rid of the parasite, but I'm not sure the risk is worth it.

regards, --Lars

 

[humaguy]

Hey TK, thanks for that. Oh, the QT (really a small second tank, with LR, sand, pods, algae, bristleworms) is definitely contaminated, and as they are in separate rooms, I keep things apart, but here's the thing; I don't think the fish in the DT would be too bothered.

Anyway, QT will sit fallow for a while here. Here's the situation though: the last 2 fish went into the QT first and lived there for months, dealt with some minor ich and beat it off to the point where it wasn't visible anymore, after which they went into the DT. I take things really slow. The last fish though, a collare butterfly, didn't handle the ich well at all. It had some spots when I got it, they went away, but came back in force. In retrospect, after the initial drop-off, or when they started reappearing, I should have taken the fish into a different tank and used cupramine or formalin, but since the fish seemed otherwise healthy, chowing clam with gusto, I figured it would be ok.

Pretty much every fish from the local LFS's has been exposed to ich, and in general it hasn't been much of a problem. I realize there are different philosophies regarding all this.

Up for consideration is that the next tank move/upgrade might involve putting the fish in a bare box in an attempt to get rid of the parasite, but I'm not sure the risk is worth it.

regards, --Lars

The qt should not have any lr or sand in it...bb with pieces of pvc only...

 

[humaguy]

That will be nice .Then I will chat to you a bit later

I do not know how to remove the unhappy face (I do not even know how it got there) ? sorry about that

lol, no worries...catch you soon...

 

[caribfan]

Hey TK, thanks for that. Oh, the QT (really a small second tank, with LR, sand, pods, algae, bristleworms) is definitely contaminated, and as they are in separate rooms, I keep things apart, but here's the thing; I don't think the fish in the DT would be too bothered.

Anyway, QT will sit fallow for a while here. Here's the situation though: the last 2 fish went into the QT first and lived there for months, dealt with some minor ich and beat it off to the point where it wasn't visible anymore, after which they went into the DT. I take things really slow. The last fish though, a collare butterfly, didn't handle the ich well at all. It had some spots when I got it, they went away, but came back in force. In retrospect, after the initial drop-off, or when they started reappearing, I should have taken the fish into a different tank and used cupramine or formalin, but since the fish seemed otherwise healthy, chowing clam with gusto, I figured it would be ok.

Pretty much every fish from the local LFS's has been exposed to ich, and in general it hasn't been much of a problem. I realize there are different philosophies regarding all this.

Up for consideration is that the next tank move/upgrade might involve putting the fish in a bare box in an attempt to get rid of the parasite, but I'm not sure the risk is worth it.

regards, --Lars

After 10 years of not quarantining my fish and consequently, not really keeping any of my fish long term, I started adhering to a strict quarantine protocol- this was about 3.5 years ago. I basically assume every fish has C. Irritans now.

I haven't lost a fish from an ectoparasite since. Like you said, there are different philosophies, just my two cents though.

It's kind of cool because the first fish I truly quarantined, came out of quarantine just before my first child was born, so I always know exactly how long I've had that fish.

Agree with Ted about the BB as well, it's the only way to fly in a quarantine tank. Sorry for your losses btw.

 

[sczlars]

Thanks for the input. I may go back to BB, which in this case would have allowed me to siphon the bottom to get rid of some of the offending parasites along with large water changes. I ran it that way at first, but had mixed results with that setup as well. Later, I decided to run it as a second tank and use it as an arrival point for new fish; and for some of these (dwarf angel, tang) it seemed very beneficial to have a fairly mature tank with algae, pods, etc. instead of a bare setup with PVC tubes. I believe this saved a very thin, icked out tang that the LFS gave me. (now doing fine and is getting fat) It does mean that I don't use copper in this setup, however (prazi ok). Perhaps I'll go to a setup with an "arrival tank" and a "hospital tank".

Keeping fish long term, after they have been acclimated isn't a problem, thankfully.

--Lars

 

[humaguy]

Thanks for the input. I may go back to BB, which in this case would have allowed me to siphon the bottom to get rid of some of the offending parasites along with large water changes. I ran it that way at first, but had mixed results with that setup as well. Later, I decided to run it as a second tank and use it as an arrival point for new fish; and for some of these (dwarf angel, tang) it seemed very beneficial to have a fairly mature tank with algae, pods, etc. instead of a bare setup with PVC tubes. I believe this saved a very thin, icked out tang that the LFS gave me. (now doing fine and is getting fat) It does mean that I don't use copper in this setup, however (prazi ok). Perhaps I'll go to a setup with an "arrival tank" and a "hospital tank".

Keeping fish long term, after they have been acclimated isn't a problem, thankfully.

--Lars

A qt should be free of lr/ls as it affects meds and often soaks them up...

 

[sczlars]

A qt should be free of lr/ls as it affects meds and often soaks them up...

Understood... my idea behind this particular QT was to not have to medicate... which I suppose means that I should have a hospital tank handy in case things go other than predicted.

TK, I seem to remember that your QT is pretty large, with a working bio-filter?

The conundrum for me here is regarding ich.. some fish are naturally resistant, so if a fish goes through QT for 6 weeks or so, and has shown no sign of the parasite, it could still be harboring it, so the only way to be absolutely sure is to preventatively run copper/whatever on any incoming.

There are some fish where even Bob Fenner (wetwebmedia.com) says just put them in the reeftank, which of course means a risk of introducing the parasite.

I would love to see somebody's flow chart on all this

regards, --Lars

 

[sczlars]

After 10 years of not quarantining my fish and consequently, not really keeping any of my fish long term, I started adhering to a strict quarantine protocol- this was about 3.5 years ago. I basically assume every fish has C. Irritans now.

I haven't lost a fish from an ectoparasite since. Like you said, there are different philosophies, just my two cents though.

It's kind of cool because the first fish I truly quarantined, came out of quarantine just before my first child was born, so I always know exactly how long I've had that fish.

Agree with Ted about the BB as well, it's the only way to fly in a quarantine tank. Sorry for your losses btw.

Thanks, Matt. I'm curious as to the exact procedure you use in quarantining. Would you mind outlining? best, --Lars

 

[fishkid6692]

Sounds good man. You're right down the road from me. And i'll be of age so i'll have to bring some beers haha. ��

 

[griseum]

Hey Ted
Just read through the last page. I didnt know you picked up a P. Navarchus!
I picked up one a week or two ago. Very nervous fish.
Read a bit about the subgenus Euxiphipops being fragile. Fishbase states the fishes diet to be of sponge and tunicate, with nothing else listed.
They are gorgeous nonetheless. Good luck with her.

 

[humaguy]

Hey Ted
Just read through the last page. I didnt know you picked up a P. Navarchus!
I picked up one a week or two ago. Very nervous fish.
Read a bit about the subgenus Euxiphipops being fragile. Fishbase states the fishes diet to be of sponge and tunicate, with nothing else listed.
They are gorgeous nonetheless. Good luck with her.

the navarchus has been with me since Aug...

 

[griseum]

Wow... i dont know how i missed it!! Too many other beautiful fish distracting me. Lol.
Have you noticed any differences in care or character with the Majestic angel vs. other Pomacanthus angels?
Ive noticed a much more subdued personality than with most other angels I've had. They've always been bold for the most part. Not her though...

 

[humaguy]

Hey Ted
Just read through the last page. I didnt know you picked up a P. Navarchus!
I picked up one a week or two ago. Very nervous fish.
Read a bit about the subgenus Euxiphipops being fragile. Fishbase states the fishes diet to be of sponge and tunicate, with nothing else listed.
They are gorgeous nonetheless. Good luck with her.

Thanks bud, stoked that you got one!
Back in Aug she came in quite small and with a few areas of lymph (ime, they are more prone to lymph than other large angels) over the next several weeks I had to remove her from the tank more than a dozen times to scrape the sites...lol, she really learned to hate me quickly :angryfire:... I was afraid I was going to lose her a couple times due to the amount of lymph on her but fortunatley she never stopped eating...she is doing terrific and loves the company in her tank- she was alone for the first 4 months...imo, they are the prettiest of all pomacanthus babies...best of luck with her and toss up some pics!

 

[humaguy]

yes, the Colins is still in Kevin's tank, will be here at some point soon and the pep hopefully by spring...no other immed plans...

 

[Ambition]

yes, the Colins is still in Kevin's tank, will be here at some point soon and the pep hopefully by spring...no other immed plans...

Do you know which office tank?

Colini are one of my favorite Centropyge and fish overall, so I can't wait to see pictures of yours when it arrives!

 

[humaguy]

Do you know which office tank?

Colini are one of my favorite Centropyge and fish overall, so I can't wait to see pictures of yours when it arrives!

she was succesfully trapped and is going thru additional qt, she will be here next week...will post pics..

 

[Ambition]

she was succesfully trapped and is going thru additional qt, she will be here next week...will post pics..

I'm glad to hear she is doing well!

 

[SDguy]

Lookin' good! Notice any color or pattern change yet?

 

[humaguy]

Lookin' good! Notice any color or pattern change yet?

no changes yet but will be moving things around soon to give them more room...will try and get some pics of them this weekend...

 

[humaguy]

just heard from dd...due to the storm they are not shipping...rescheduled for next Thursday...