130 X 36 x 36 inbound...any suggestions?

I don't think they're a rare hybrid but speaking of lemonpeel combos..here's a picture of a potential pair I recently picked up from DD/live aquaria. The hybrid (Centropyge flavissima x C. vroliki) was on DD for a while. The regular lemonpeel I just ordered off liveaquaria. I did have egg crate separating them initially until I came home on about the third day and the regular lemonpeel was on the hybrid's side of the tank. There was no aggression so I've just taken it out of their QT.

(apologies for the messy QT but they were being photogenic for once)
 
As interesting as a forced hybrid would be on a very small scale production level, I dont believe that it can be forced "naturally" in a captive setting. Companies such as ORA, SA, etc, that offer interspecies hybrid clownfish, it seems like that may be, and is, a possibility to happen naturally, with female of one species (A. percula) and male of another (A. ocellaris) bonding and mating together. Their offspring from the F1 generation would most likely be sterile.
But something I've wondering is the Maroon clown and Ocellaris/Percula Hybrid thats being produced. That is now Intergenus hybridization!! That I can't fully explain without doing a little research first, in order to not make an erroneous statement.
I remember reading in a blog from one of the Aquaculture companies, that stated the first batch of Premnas biaculeatus x Amphiprion ocellaris/percula (?) was perhaps from a spawning event between pairs of both species in seperate tanks on the same system. This resulted in a cross-contamination of one species gametes with the others which were flowing throughout the systems pumps/filtration.

The hybridization in the wild, that offers up these very rare Ornamental Angels and such, is a matter of survival. When population densities become very low, fish within a genus will often look to the closest phylogenetic relative in their proximity to mate with. Good example being Black Long Nose Tangs and Scopas tangs. Lack of Black tang mate availability pushing them to breed with the Brown, or scopas, tang instead.

With broadcast spawners there is such a mix of gametes, both sperm and eggs, that Im not surprised more hybrids are produced. Perhaps they do form zygotes, but for whatever reason, the hybrid zygote/larvae/juveniles are decreased in fitness to a point that they perish or are preyed upon quickly.

This is just a bunch of stuff I'm writing off the top of my head from prior reading, research, etc. It is something I am fascinated with, and I am going to look around for more information that is available. I know that hybridization in mammals takes place in vitro/in utero, and occurs naturally as well.
Examples would be, Napoleon Dynamite's favorite animal the "Liger", a Lion Tiger hybrid, also called a Tig-on, or Ti-on when the Mother is one species and the father is the other. Not sure which is which. And the most famous of all would probably be the Horse, Donkey, and the Mule/Jackass/Burro. Lol.

Awesome stuff!
 
Yes! I believe that those Centropyge spp. both fall within the Argi complex.
Centropyge argi x C. resplendens.

Similarly, the Raoaps butterflies, e.g. Tinkeri, Burgessi, Declivis, etc., belong to the "complex" by that same name.

Fish species within a "complex" are often newly speciated, having just diverged from one species to a reproductively isolated new species. Or perhaps still within the transition to complete reproductive isolation. These "species" are often visually and morphologically similar to a degree that genetic or microscopic identification is needed to differentiate. So the fish within these Complexes are already extremely similar genetically and phenotypically. They may have even become new species by means of hybridization between two existing species previously. I guess you could say that in an evolutionary perspective these are "New" fish. !!!

Frank at RCT did an amazing thing with the Argi and Resplendens. Despite being extremely similar and within the Argi/Fisher complex, the two species are "Old" enough to have ventured far away from each other.

Here is a blurb from RCThawaii.com regarding those hybrids

"Centropyge hybrids sometimes occur naturally between species that share the same geographic location. The natural distribution of the Resplendent angel and the Cherubfish is separated by over 3,000 miles, making the Resplendent Cherubfish truly unique and only available through captive-breeding efforts."

I would love to read more about how the Parent fish were chosen and paired! I dont know if RCT has ever shared that information, via the web or Journal publication. If someone does know where it can be found please let me know!!
Thanks!

Does anyone have a Dwarf angel from RCT ? Especially one of those argi/resplendens??? Id love to see it!

BTW Hows Goldie?
 
Great fish/video.

My jaw dropped when i saw the title of the video "Kingi and Goldflake Hybrid Pair". I thought it meant A. kingi x A. xanthopunctatus hybrids!!!!

SDguy- There haven't been any reported Mitratus hybrids?
 
I don't understand the hybrid species as much as I would like. The idea of similar species within a geographic area, or species in the same complex, makes sense and seem possible to form pairs and breed in captivity as they may in the wild (unless the hybrids are created by sperm and eggs mixing in the open water). It is something interesting that I would like to look into. This is especially so since I know several people that have multiple species of centropyge living in the same tank, but they aren't paired or spawning.
 
That's weird! It makes the possibilities all the more Mysterious and Exciting !!!


If and when, a Hybrid Mitratus does appear, I bet it will be something really special...


I have a hypothesis in regards to why it doesn't hybridize. But I'll spare everyone HAHA....
 
Yes! I believe that those Centropyge spp. both fall within the Argi complex.
Centropyge argi x C. resplendens.

Similarly, the Raoaps butterflies, e.g. Tinkeri, Burgessi, Declivis, etc., belong to the "complex" by that same name.

Fish species within a "complex" are often newly speciated, having just diverged from one species to a reproductively isolated new species. Or perhaps still within the transition to complete reproductive isolation. These "species" are often visually and morphologically similar to a degree that genetic or microscopic identification is needed to differentiate. So the fish within these Complexes are already extremely similar genetically and phenotypically. They may have even become new species by means of hybridization between two existing species previously. I guess you could say that in an evolutionary perspective these are "New" fish. !!!

Frank at RCT did an amazing thing with the Argi and Resplendens. Despite being extremely similar and within the Argi/Fisher complex, the two species are "Old" enough to have ventured far away from each other.

Here is a blurb from RCThawaii.com regarding those hybrids

"Centropyge hybrids sometimes occur naturally between species that share the same geographic location. The natural distribution of the Resplendent angel and the Cherubfish is separated by over 3,000 miles, making the Resplendent Cherubfish truly unique and only available through captive-breeding efforts."

I would love to read more about how the Parent fish were chosen and paired! I dont know if RCT has ever shared that information, via the web or Journal publication. If someone does know where it can be found please let me know!!
Thanks!

Does anyone have a Dwarf angel from RCT ? Especially one of those argi/resplendens??? Id love to see it!

BTW Hows Goldie?

Here's a link to Frank's resplendens x fisheri abstract. I can't remember if he covers how the parent fish were chosen and paired but it contains lots of other interesting info.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...sCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
 
I had a lemon peel paired up with Fabio the interrupt for a while. They were great tank mates but they never showed any signs of reproductive behavior. Then Faith came along and the lemon peel had to move out!

Did you try candlelight, Manilow, and some raw oyster?
 
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