2 New Gigs. Time for Cipro?

Day 6 - 3rd Day of QT

Purple Gig

The Purple Gig is doing fairly well. It is still expelling pellets, but not nearly as much as in the past. It's shape is also holding well throughout the day and night. Prospects look good on this specimen.

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Blue Gig

Unfortunately it seems the Blue gig has made a turn for the worse. It's turned into a pancake and it's mouth is still wide open. It is still expelling a good amount of pellets during the day and night. It is only slightly sticky and a only a bit more so compared to when it first arrived, but not as much as in the past. I'm not too sure this specimen will survive much longer, but we'll see what happens.

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Just my thoughts... 5 gallon a day water change on 10 isn't enough (my opinion when the nems are really weak). When I treated mine, I used a 10 gallon tank, and changed 10 gallons a day - 100% water change. I'd scrub out the buckets, I don't like the clay left behind, but probably doesn't matter. I made water the night before, let it sit 24 hours, then used. And, for me, I found using reef crystals, it needed 1/4-1/2 teaspoon of buffer in a 5 gallon bucket to make it "nice"... Just a thought... I can't help but wonder if 100% water changes would really make a difference. Sorry to see one not doing so well, I know how it feels.
 
I agree. As long as the anemone look bad and put out stuff, I would change 100% of the water.
Best of luck with both of them.
 
OrionN said:
I agree. As long as the anemone look bad and put out stuff, I would change 100% of the water.
Best of luck with both of them.
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I did a 75% change on the Blue Gig this afternoon as well as a 50% change earlier tonight. I'm hoping things go well for the Blue. I plan to do more frequent water changes on the blue gig during the day.
 
A bit of an update

Day 9 - 6th Day of QT

Purple Gig

The Purple gig is doing well. No pellets were excreted today. First day since I acquired this specimen. Seems to be doing better than before. Shape is holding, and is now exhibiting a deflate/inflate cycle during the change from night to day etc.

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Blue Gig

Blue gig isn't doing so well. Every morning after treatment it seems better than the day before. But by night time, it seems worse than the prior day. At this point I'm not sure what else to do in this situation but keep at the treatment and see what happens. It looked the best it has since day 1 earlier this morning, but as you can see now, it looks almost past recovery and on it's last legs.

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Any thoughts or tips would be much appreciated. Thanks!
 
Wow, crazy how things can change-- I thought the blue one was doing better than the purple, and now it's the opposite. Unfortunately, there's nothing that you can do but to continue treatment, making sure to add the Cipro at lights out, then change the water the next day prior to the next treatment and removing any waste that accumulates in the tank. Don't feed, don't poke, don't prod. You can pray or cross your fingers if you do that sort of thing, but all you can really do is wait. Best of luck. Keep us posted.
 
Day 12 - 9th Day of QT


Blue Gig

Well, unfortunately I woke up to this mess earlier today:

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Alas it wasn't meant to be. Not quite sure what else could have been done.

Purple Gig

The purple gig on the other hand seems to be doing very well. Shape is steady. Mouth is closed up as well as it has ever been since acquiring it. It is also stickier than it has ever been. It hasn't excreted pellets in about 4 days now. It does however produce a couple strings of slime every now and then though. At what point can treatment be considered successful and the gig introduced back into the DT?

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It looks really good. With the gig looking healthy and also being sticky I would try to feed an eraser size piece of food. I use shrimp. With all three of my gigs I did this after 7 days of treatment. If the gig eats, I take that as a sign that it's ready for the DT. Good luck!
 
Thanks all. Good call on feeding the nem, Loganeri. I'm not a fan of feeding anemone's directly. But in this case, I agree with you. It'll serve as a nice test to see if it can handle feeding.
 
Aquarick said:
Argh, and to add insult to injury, looks like DD had a blue gig for sale today:

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversde...ref=4282&subref=AI&cmpid=E-_-TR-_-DDN-_-PRDCT

Just glad I didn't pay that price for both of mine..
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If it's any consolation, you probably wouldn't have gotten the gig on DD anyway. By the time I get the email, it's already gone. LA even recommends camping out on the site prior to the release of new items. I think the east coast guys have the advantage over us west coast guys, but I can't prove it :rolleyes:
 
Day 14

I moved the purple gig to the DT last night. Unfortunately, it is not looking as good today. It's looking pretty flat, and it's mouth is coming out a bit. The mouth is still tight, but not as closed as a few days ago.

Think I may have moved it to the DT too soon? Should I start a new round of QT and cipro tonight, or give it another day or two?

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Woops, forgot to include shot of mouth. This is a top down. Sorry for the light glare:

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Put it back in QT ASAP. Healthy gigs never look like that.

I don't think we discussed what's in your DT. Can you provide a list of inhabitants, as well as general parameters?

Healthy gigs are pretty durable. Acclimating gigs are not. I noticed in the first photos that you have quite a few fish, including large tangs. What's your nitrate level like? An acclimated gig can tolerate nitrate swings. However, it's best to put a new gig in a tank without any detectable levels of nitrate.
 
Yeah, agreed. I just set up the QT again and dosed with cipro. I'll redoes later tonight after another small wc.

As for the DT, I have 3 tangs, a pair of triggers, two pairs of clowns, a small school of Bartlett's anthias, blenny, goby, and a wrasse. I do have 4 BTAs, as well as a sebae, and a small green carpet.

Nitrates are reading at undetectable levels. Phosphates are at .06. Alk is steady at 9dkh, calcium at 450, and mag at 1350.

I was doing daily water changes using DT water every night before a new cipro treatment so it seems odd it would be due to water parameters.
 
There is another person with a gig who is having the same problem that you are. With the different kinds of nems in your tank, I wouldn't be surprised if there is allelopathy occurring. If could be at a low level where a healthy gig could tolerate it, but a newly acclimated gig, especially one in a weakened state, might be negatively affected.

Are you running carbon? If you want to try again, and you don't have a carbon reactor, I suggest setting one up and seeing what happens.
 
Unfortunately the purple gig did not make it either. I do run carbon, and changed out the media right before I purchased the gigs. I may have to try to rehome the sebae before I try another gig sometime in the future. I'm not too attached to it and would rather have a gig in its place. If it was allelopathy, it is curious as I had a mag in this tank for a few years doing just fine before I gave it up to a friend. Oh well, we'll see what happens down the road.

Thanks for the help everyone.
 
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