$3,700 Angelfish..

Good point Matt, when going that deep the best system is a rebreather, the one I looked into buying was 7K and an aditional 8K for the class, that makes just getting set up and training 15K. The problem here in FL is it is illegal to collect with rebreather, and even though the pepperming angel isn't a native, I'm not putting that kind of money into a system I can't use on a regular basis. You can do it with conventional tec gear and use less oxygen (without doing the math 10 or 11% maybe, air is 21%) with helium, but that is a dangerous trip to take.
 
wow, you just got really technical......


If you want to crunch numbers..... I'm sure if you knew where they were caught and could fly there and catch a ride to the spot (3k max) and speak with whoever catches these fish. Stay the a few nights (1k tops) Give him grand if he brings you back some (1k tops).

I'm sure he wouldn't turn down that offer. Ship them back and hope they make it.

You're probably around 5 grand (tops), and much better off than if you were to just go to a LFS and hand the guy over 10k for a fish. JMO.

I'm not trying to argue about it, but you started it :P And I would really like to go on a trip like that ;)
 
A fish like that, I hope they're not just shipping it out in a bag. Gresham, any idea? Do they put a CO2 scrubber/ammonia detox/battery air pump on the container when they ship it?
 
Re: smaller = $$$?

Re: smaller = $$$?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11279061#post11279061 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bored4long
I always thought the larger the fish the more valuable. I don't understand why the value of this fish would be greater because of its size.

In general, angelfish of this size tend to acclimate better to captivity than adults. The really big ones do not handle getting moved around real well, and may be less likely to take aquarium foods right away.

I don't know if this is the rationale behind the higher price, or if it's simply because it's that much more rare, but it might be a reason for someone to pay more for it.
 
I believe they just ship in a bag, it is the safest most reliable way, I've worked in the transhipping business (Dolphin Int for 7 years) worked as collector and owned a LFS in San Diego (which I sold and is still there). Even when shipping/recieving fish like sharks or abberent colored stingrays, which were worth 2K-3K to the japanese market, and a lot more delicate then angels, they were shipped one to a box, o2 and it took 40 hours flight with layovers, (freight has a lot more layover time then baggage, min 4 hours and when shipping from FL to Japan you go through Alaska which has 10 hours between flts) that didn't count the time from bag to box and international freight rules shipment had to be at airport min 4 hours before flt. After arrival customs/fish & wildlife has to inspect them as well, means some fish were in bags 50 hours, they usually did fine.

Just did a search, to get to cook islands, home of the peppermint angel, you fly to sydney, then next day to Rarotonga (the capital) cost is right around 2K round trip. So far all collectors were forigners, not locals so you have to get someone who can do the dives AND catch fish to go for/with you. Also Scott Michael has a note in vol3 of reef fish, all originally collected fish starved within 6 weeks, and only 1 unconfirmed report of Japanese aquarist that has a pair living.

One other note on collecting deep water, I've collected deep and below 200 ft you have to pop the fish. This is considered safe by some, but all the ones I've delt with long term don't do so well, and I don't go through the side, I use the vent which doesn't actually puncture the fish and doesn't go anywhere near the air bladder.
 
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