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[Newbie Aquarist]

The primal kneed.

Dave.M

Cant wait for the primal knee to heal.

That is good stuff. Mental note. Who am I kidding.. I'm writing that down.

That's what we are all here for, each other.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[SPotter]

Hey Wayne, so glad to see your procedure was successful and that you're on the road to recovery!


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[Newbie Aquarist]

Hey Wayne, so glad to see your procedure was successful and that you're on the road to recovery!


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Thanks Steve. You have pm.

 

[SPotter]

Flow charts have always baffled me and I have always ended up buying pumps that were too big. However, I like the idea of splitting up the 4 returns and using 2 return pumps. I would then look at using the DC internal pumps. I have read that RLSS pumps will have a variable speed controller that can be controlled by an external controller like an apex. You could have one set of sea swirls that has a constant continuous flow and the other set you could run with the controllable variable speed pump to break things up a little bit. Only concern with using the controlable variable speed pump is what kind of impact would it have on the water levels in your sump and would it cause your ato to go crazy as the power increases and decreases causing the water level to go up and down.

I will agree with the above posts that you will need atleast a 5k gph pump to achieve this with one pump and with that I think the power consumption will be pretty high. I would suggest emailing your diagram to Reeflo and Dolphin pumps, explain to them what you are trying to and ask them for a suggestion. I did this when I was building my tank.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Flow charts have always baffled me and I have always ended up buying pumps that were too big. However, I like the idea of splitting up the 4 returns and using 2 return pumps. I would then look at using the DC internal pumps. I have read that RLSS pumps will have a variable speed controller that can be controlled by an external controller like an apex. You could have one set of sea swirls that has a constant continuous flow and the other set you could run with the controllable variable speed pump to break things up a little bit. Only concern with using the controlable variable speed pump is what kind of impact would it have on the water levels in your sump and would it cause your ato to go crazy as the power increases and decreases causing the water level to go up and down.

I will agree with the above posts that you will need atleast a 5k gph pump to achieve this with one pump and with that I think the power consumption will be pretty high. I would suggest emailing your diagram to Reeflo and Dolphin pumps, explain to them what you are trying to and ask them for a suggestion. I did this when I was building my tank.

Thanks again Steve for your input. It is greatly appreciated.

 

[RJT]

Ok cool.

Phone hit send before I finished. 7000gph

But that's just my guess based on my head loss. I lose around 40% due to head loss (going from pump to return lines). I am not sure if a Mag is good/bad or average in regards to head loss but the more 90 degree angles you have the worse the head loss becomes.

Glad the procedure went well.

Oh snap. I forgot when I had this much flow I had these two loc line spray returns. A 7k pump would be too strong unless you use spray bars to spread the flow.

Here is what I was using:
http://www.modularhose.com/Loc-Line-14-System/14-kits/Loc-Line-41479

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Oh snap. I forgot when I had this much flow I had these two loc line spray returns. A 7k pump would be too strong unless you use spray bars to spread the flow.

Here is what I was using:
http://www.modularhose.com/Loc-Line-14-System/14-kits/Loc-Line-41479

Yea I kinda figured that was alot. Thanks for the advice and the link. Something to consider.

 

[h2so4hurts]

Hope the recovery goes well!

For head loss I just use the head loss calculator over at advanced aquarist. You're making this way too complicated

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/5/aafeature2

 

[Sonicboom]

Only concern with using the controllable variable speed pump is what kind of impact would it have on the water levels in your sump and would it cause your ato to go crazy as the power increases and decreases causing the water level to go up and down.

you are correct about the ATO going crazy with variable speed pumps. I run the Waveline DC 10k with 6 different settings and i need to manually adjust my float valve depending on the pump setting. For the most part i just leave it on 3 and at night down to 2 when i have the least amount of evap. I have spoken with APEX support and they confirmed their controller paired with a LAB grade salinity probe will add logic and will not engage the ATO if salinity is constant while water level is not. Now i just need to save up for it...

 

[danfeig]

Glad to see the surgery went well!

 

[fraggler]

Hey newbie i am near you about 30 miles north
May i ask.where u got acrylic and total cost for.build.so.far?

 

[ReefKeeper64]

Thanks for the info bruh. Tony Vargas told me to do the same thing.

Tony Vargas is the man!

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Hope the recovery goes well!

For head loss I just use the head loss calculator over at advanced aquarist. You're making this way too complicated

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/5/aafeature2

Thank you H. That calculator was very helpful and now I see what pump I am going to use.

 

[aquaph8]

Glad to hear your on the way to recovery Wayne :thumbsup:

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Glad to see the surgery went well!

Thanks Dan. Glad to see you back.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

you are correct about the ATO going crazy with variable speed pumps. I run the Waveline DC 10k with 6 different settings and i need to manually adjust my float valve depending on the pump setting. For the most part i just leave it on 3 and at night down to 2 when i have the least amount of evap. I have spoken with APEX support and they confirmed their controller paired with a LAB grade salinity probe will add logic and will not engage the ATO if salinity is constant while water level is not. Now i just need to save up for it...

I think I'm going to change my mind on those pumps. I love the energy savings but not trying to blow my ATO up. Thanks Sonic.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Hey newbie i am near you about 30 miles north
May i ask.where u got acrylic and total cost for.build.so.far?

I was getting it from a local store but changed my mind and I'm going to have the tank built. Total cost, well that's G14 classified.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Glad to hear your on the way to recovery Wayne :thumbsup:

Thanks aqua. I see your tank is doing well also.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Tony Vargas is the man!

Yes sir he is.

 

[theReefKing]

What's next on the todo list?