SPotter
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+1 Wayne. I had that happen and the frag was in a place the would take some work to get to. 6 months later I started seeing new tissue growing. Never count the sticks out!!!
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+1 Wayne. I had that happen and the frag was in a place the would take some work to get to. 6 months later I started seeing new tissue growing. Never count the sticks out!!!
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I am dosing white vinegar and iron citrate. I will read that article. Thanks Mike.
I haven't. I'm trying to be patient.
Thanks for the info Steve as this is new unchartered territory for me. Patience is key.
Osama
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Sonic has an excellent point and I hope yours recover as well. Also that reminded me of my first 180g tank I had a plate coral that looked DEAD and I threw it in the sump. Several weeks or longer I came to see some growth on it That was the start of a baby plate explosion. They were baby plate corals and that thing kept reproducing babies for ever after that .. Take a look, all the small plates are on the mother "not so dead" plate
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Sonic has an excellent point and I hope yours recover as well. Also that reminded me of my first 180g tank I had a plate coral that looked DEAD and I threw it in the sump. Several weeks or longer I came to see some growth on it That was the start of a baby plate explosion. They were baby plate corals and that thing kept reproducing babies for ever after that .. Take a look, all the small plates are on the mother "not so dead" plate
It looks as if I should think before I discard. Those plates growing over plates looks cool Osama. I will definitely keep that in mind.
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Yes Wayne they looked very cool and they were easy to knock off and exchange and give to a group of hobbyist that were in our NW suburb of Chicago. Very enjoyable group. This in my opinion, is rare, to recover like this but it does happen. At first I thought a mushroom attached itself to the mother plate ....
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I thought they were mushrooms too. Then I took a closer look and was like now that's pretty awesome.
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I have a plate doing that in an area where it was buried by sand. I also have a hammer that I had given up for dead (and used to mount a few frags) that is now sprouting baby heads from what I thought was a completely dead skeleton. There is always hope, so I try to keep them in the tank, even if it is just in the sump or wherever.
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Well everything has been going well as of late. But I also have been struggling with my pH. Everything else has been steady(i.e. Calcium and magnesium). So I added this to my topoff today to help out.
I also have an orange shoulder in QT that I rescued from a tank being torn down. He was pretty beat up but I think that because the owner took an hour to catch it and didn't remove any rock. He said he had him for about 2 years and he is still in juvenile stage.
I also have an orange shoulder in QT that I rescued from a tank being torn down. He was pretty beat up but I think that because the owner took an hour to catch it and didn't remove any rock. He said he had him for about 2 years and he is still in juvenile stage.
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Here's a good read...
Chemistry And The Aquarium: The Relationship Between Alkalinity And pH http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/5/chemistry
Chemistry And The Aquarium: The Relationship Between Alkalinity And pH http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/5/chemistry
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Leroy,
Your tank is looking good my friend! Sorry that I have not been in better communication. I have been swamped with the kids and work. My oldest is graduating high school this week and will then be off to NYU.
I love the tangs in your tank!
With regards to your parameters, I keep my Alk at 10-11. It helps with my PH too! Your Calcium, I would drop a little too. One thing that helped my PH was placing a few powerheads, Sicce pumps, in the bottom of my tank facing upwards. This allowed for greater oxygen exchange and moved my PH several points. Weather permitting, I open a window in my fish room to allow for fresh oxygen into the room.
I hope things are good with you. Call me when you can!
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Leroy,
Your tank is looking good my friend! Sorry that I have not been in better communication. I have been swamped with the kids and work. My oldest is graduating high school this week and will then be off to NYU.
I love the tangs in your tank!
With regards to your parameters, I keep my Alk at 10-11. It helps with my PH too! Your Calcium, I would drop a little too. One thing that helped my PH was placing a few powerheads, Sicce pumps, in the bottom of my tank facing upwards. This allowed for greater oxygen exchange and moved my PH several points. Weather permitting, I open a window in my fish room to allow for fresh oxygen into the room.
I hope things are good with you. Call me when you can!
Agreed, I never test for ph anymore - if my alk/ca/mag are within tolerences the ph should be ok. I bake my arm&hammer to change it to soda ash and find that can help raise the ph a bit.
When I was testing ph it swung from 7.9/8 - 8.5/8.6 in a day. I eventually learned not to worry about it.
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Dan,
It is good to hear from you. I know since you started the store that hour time and commitment to the forum was going to be cut real short. Also congratulations on you child graduating from high school and taking that next step. I wish him/her the best.
As for my parameters, I am doing the ZeoVit program but it's modified now since I am dosing vinegar, iron citrate, and recently pickling lime in my top off water for stability. Right now my mission is to only test my alkalinity and make sure it remains stable and everything else will fall into play. I will have to purchase power heads on the first as I had some friends tank main pump fail and gave them my power heads.
Things are going well with me. I heard the horror stories that happened at the Phoenix VA there and all I could do was shake my head. No one likes to talk about or hear about soldiers dying because of a scandal over bad healthcare. I just went through hat a couple months gsp and it was bad for me then. But I am better and glad to have a tank to aid in my recovery.
Other than transferring fish over from my previous tank, I did my stocking in reverse order. I wanted to start small and work my way up to the tangs. But I had to do what was available at that time so the tangs went in first. I love my tangs and looking at getting a couple more. My focus now is on my Anthias schools and maybe some more leopard wrasses.
Good hearing from you and I will get with you soon.
I have been reading about the soda ash as well but doesn't that bring the alkalinity up as well?
Dan,
It is good to hear from you. I know since you started the store that hour time and commitment to the forum was going to be cut real short. Also congratulations on you child graduating from high school and taking that next step. I wish him/her the best.
As for my parameters, I am doing the ZeoVit program but it's modified now since I am dosing vinegar, iron citrate, and recently pickling lime in my top off water for stability. Right now my mission is to only test my alkalinity and make sure it remains stable and everything else will fall into play. I will have to purchase power heads on the first as I had some friends tank main pump fail and gave them my power heads.
Things are going well with me. I heard the horror stories that happened at the Phoenix VA there and all I could do was shake my head. No one likes to talk about or hear about soldiers dying because of a scandal over bad healthcare. I just went through hat a couple months gsp and it was bad for me then. But I am better and glad to have a tank to aid in my recovery.
Other than transferring fish over from my previous tank, I did my stocking in reverse order. I wanted to start small and work my way up to the tangs. But I had to do what was available at that time so the tangs went in first. I love my tangs and looking at getting a couple more. My focus now is on my Anthias schools and maybe some more leopard wrasses.
Good hearing from you and I will get with you soon.
I have been reading about the soda ash as well but doesn't that bring the alkalinity up as well?
Osama
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Wayne I am not the super expert as some are on this board are extremely well versed and very experienced. My suggestion: to stabilize the system stop all dosing and revert to changing water and see wait for your parameters to stabilize, then start slowly dosing to increase ALk while keeping an eye on the pH. I dose Two Parts calc & Alk and magnesium. I do other dosing less frequently but mainly I start with the calc alk & some mag till everything is stable for a month or so... hope this helps... then I add stronium combiSan and AragaMilk in very small amounts for coral growth.
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Parameters were stable for about a couple months until the major alk swing. They still are as the alk has risen and been stable for quite a while. I was just to concerned over pH. The calcium reactors has kept things stable. I just wanted to add the lime juice as a safety factor as I just have fears upon fears of kalkwasser. I have a small power hear in my topoff to keep it mixed.
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After my system is stable I start dosing Kalk and Calc using a Kalk & Calc reactors. I like Kalk reactor . I have the Kalk mixing (control timing with APEX controller) and I do not start dosing for over two hrs after the Kalk mixing has stopped, so I am dosing the saturated liquid. On my PC I have the APEX controller showing me the status in the sump/tank water for Temp, pH, Orp & Conductivity. I do not worry about calibrating anything as I am monitoring changes in the readings while seeing how my corals are : open or closed ...
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I am going to revamp my system again. I know I shouldn't be chasing numbers. I have been testing the alkalinity everyday since the day I had the mishap. Also I finally cracked a window in the fish room about 4-6 inches to get fresh air inside to aid in the pH of my system.
Since I don't like to use Kalkwasser, I purchased some pickling lime juice and added it into my top off at a rate of 1 tsp per gallon. I am thinking this is to much as for the past week my alkalinity has gone as follows:
17 May 2014 - 7.8 dKh
18 May 2014 - 7.89 dKh
19 May 2015 - 8.0 dKh
20 May 2014 - No test (guessing it was around 8.2-8.4 dKh)
21 May 2014 - 8.7 dKh
22 May 2014 - 9.13 dKh(refilled ATO)
23 May 2014 - 9.13 dKh
24 May 2014 - 9.24 dKh
25 May 2014 - 9.24 dKh (10%{40 gallons} performed)
26 May 2014 - 9.6 dKh
The ph during this span has risen from 7.7 and maintained around 7.9 - 8.0.
Do I turn up the CO2 to bring the alkalinity down? In all actuality I would like it no higher than 8 considering when I start purchasing my acroporas that the alkalinity of the water they are cultured in.
Since I don't like to use Kalkwasser, I purchased some pickling lime juice and added it into my top off at a rate of 1 tsp per gallon. I am thinking this is to much as for the past week my alkalinity has gone as follows:
17 May 2014 - 7.8 dKh
18 May 2014 - 7.89 dKh
19 May 2015 - 8.0 dKh
20 May 2014 - No test (guessing it was around 8.2-8.4 dKh)
21 May 2014 - 8.7 dKh
22 May 2014 - 9.13 dKh(refilled ATO)
23 May 2014 - 9.13 dKh
24 May 2014 - 9.24 dKh
25 May 2014 - 9.24 dKh (10%{40 gallons} performed)
26 May 2014 - 9.6 dKh
The ph during this span has risen from 7.7 and maintained around 7.9 - 8.0.
Do I turn up the CO2 to bring the alkalinity down? In all actuality I would like it no higher than 8 considering when I start purchasing my acroporas that the alkalinity of the water they are cultured in.
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I would cut back on your dosing of lime or stop for a day or two. Just watch your levels. If they only drop. .2 a day then just does lime once a week or so to get the level you want.
If you want to keep your levels more at 8ish.
Adding CO2 can be scary if you over do it.
If you want to keep your levels more at 8ish.
Adding CO2 can be scary if you over do it.
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