A corner in Taiwan

Keep a close eye on the pH and Alk. You dont want neither to go beyond the limits.

Hope it goes well.

Hi sahin,

I bought a UV and connected up today tank water looks clean and the substrate white, I replaced the carbon as well so hope this will do the trick I and all will be sorted, want to ask if I must run the UV even with the lights on or must I switch it off.

Thanks Charl
 
Hi shih87,

How is your tank doing, I hope well and thing are looking good with the algae and corals

Cheers Charl
 
Hi sahin,

I bought a UV and connected up today tank water looks clean and the substrate white, I replaced the carbon as well so hope this will do the trick I and all will be sorted, want to ask if I must run the UV even with the lights on or must I switch it off.

Thanks Charl

Stop the UV for at least 12 hours after you dose the Special Blend.

Go easy on the Carbon.
 
Hi shih87,

How is your tank doing, I hope well and thing are looking good with the algae and corals

Cheers Charl

HI Charl,

Sorry I was out of town weekend, but my STN stop and I brush my brown slime out from rack before I left home, I will update you once I back home.

Cheers.....
 
hi sahin and charl...

Just FYI...Folks in Taiwan forum (PH8.4) asked me translate our discussion in Chinese. So below it is my Chinese summary of our discussion on carbon over dosing, STN, and brown slime...

You may not understand the language, but it shows reef and internet connect all of us together...:)

=====
碳反用過量有可能造成兩個現象...
1. 將水中水機物吸收太快造成水太利。這會造成硬骨顏色變淡甚至STN
2. 將水中黃色素吸收太多,水太透,再間接因為燈光突然變太亮而傷害硬骨造成顏色變淡

有關咖啡色毛毛藻,有可能是藻 (dino),也有可能是菌(cyano)...
如果是藻,還沒氾濫前,可用食藻螺丶寄居蟹丶魚,或其他吃藻生物控制。

如果是菌,有可能是添加物在"量"上失衡。
如果是KZ,以下添加物加過多有可能產生咖啡泥 (Brown Slime)。註,這裏指的應該是菌...
Amino Acid LPS,
Amino Acid HC,
Sponge Power,
Zeofood7,
Zeostart2,
Coral Vitalizer &
K-Balance Potassium (Strong)

然而ZeoBac過量,我的觀察是會產生一層薄薄,可以看透的泥....

另一魚友Charl...懷疑他也因碳反過量造成了硬骨顏色變淡和STN...他也用KZ,並有咖啡泥產生...

我們一致認為...STN和咖啡泥的處理要先分開,並以STN處置優先。
以下為處理方式...
先將碳反停掉,之後再慢慢小量加回 (至少兩星期後)
連續換水,但請使用無震盪換水以免另一層面傷害硬骨
加強AA使硬骨強壯,對抗STN

再來談咖啡泥的問題..
如果咖啡泥只生長在斷隻檯,請先檢查斷隻檯是否新的。有的斷隻檯會釋放PO4

判斷咖啡泥是藻還是菌,可以咖啡泥在夜間表現來看,如果夜間和白天差不多,那是菌的可能較大。反之,則是藻的機率大。藻較難處理,菌比較簡單。


如果是藻...(首先,吸一口氣,別慌,Be Strong),然後...
基本上,以下三件事可以打敗它
1. 壋加Kalk來提昇PH
2. 無光
3. 添加過氧化氫

如果詳細來說

1. Day 1 "¦虹吸後其他物理方法先儘量移除
2. 添加特別配分 (MICROBE-LIFT / Special Blend)
3. Day 2,3,4 無光
4. Day 5 燈光 一小時,Day 6 燈光 二小時,Day 7 燈光三時
5. 由於燈光的改變,注意 Ca 和 KH的穩定
6. 如果以上步驟後,藻又生回來,在給了硬骨四丶五天休息後,可重複以上處置方式
======
 
HI Charl,

Sorry I was out of town weekend, but my STN stop and I brush my brown slime out from rack before I left home, I will update you once I back home.

Cheers.....

I am happy that your STN has stopped! :thumbsup:
 
hi sahin and charl...

Just FYI...Folks in Taiwan forum (PH8.4) asked me translate our discussion in Chinese. So below it is my Chinese summary of our discussion on carbon over dosing, STN, and brown slime...

You may not understand the language, but it shows reef and internet connect all of us together...:)

=====
碳反用過量有可能造成兩個現象...
1. 將水中水機物吸收太快造成水太利。這會造成硬骨顏色變淡甚至STN
2. 將水中黃色素吸收太多,水太透,再間接因為燈光突然變太亮而傷害硬骨造成顏色變淡

有關咖啡色毛毛藻,有可能是藻 (dino),也有可能是菌(cyano)...
如果是藻,還沒氾濫前,可用食藻螺丶寄居蟹丶魚,或其他吃藻生物控制。

如果是菌,有可能是添加物在"量"上失衡。
如果是KZ,以下添加物加過多有可能產生咖啡泥 (Brown Slime)。註,這裏指的應該是菌...
Amino Acid LPS,
Amino Acid HC,
Sponge Power,
Zeofood7,
Zeostart2,
Coral Vitalizer &
K-Balance Potassium (Strong)

然而ZeoBac過量,我的觀察是會產生一層薄薄,可以看透的泥....

另一魚友Charl...懷疑他也因碳反過量造成了硬骨顏色變淡和STN...他也用KZ,並有咖啡泥產生...

我們一致認為...STN和咖啡泥的處理要先分開,並以STN處置優先。
以下為處理方式...
先將碳反停掉,之後再慢慢小量加回 (至少兩星期後)
連續換水,但請使用無震盪換水以免另一層面傷害硬骨
加強AA使硬骨強壯,對抗STN

再來談咖啡泥的問題..
如果咖啡泥只生長在斷隻檯,請先檢查斷隻檯是否新的。有的斷隻檯會釋放PO4

判斷咖啡泥是藻還是菌,可以咖啡泥在夜間表現來看,如果夜間和白天差不多,那是菌的可能較大。反之,則是藻的機率大。藻較難處理,菌比較簡單。


如果是藻...(首先,吸一口氣,別慌,Be Strong),然後...
基本上,以下三件事可以打敗它
1. 壋加Kalk來提昇PH
2. 無光
3. 添加過氧化氫

如果詳細來說

1. Day 1 "¦虹吸後其他物理方法先儘量移除
2. 添加特別配分 (MICROBE-LIFT / Special Blend)
3. Day 2,3,4 無光
4. Day 5 燈光 一小時,Day 6 燈光 二小時,Day 7 燈光三時
5. 由於燈光的改變,注意 Ca 和 KH的穩定
6. 如果以上步驟後,藻又生回來,在給了硬骨四丶五天休息後,可重複以上處置方式
======

I used google translate:
=====
With an excess of carbon may cause anti-two phenomena ...
1. The water absorption of organic matter in water cause water too fast profit. This will cause the color fades even bony STN
2 yellow pigment will absorb too much water, too much water thoroughly, then indirectly, because suddenly the lights are too bright and bony injury caused by the color fades

For hairy brown algae, algae may be (dino), there may be bacteria (cyano) ...
If it is algae, not before the flood, algae-eating snails available Dian Dian hermit crab fish eat algae or other biological control.

If the bacteria, there may be additions in the "quantity" imbalance.
If KZ, plus the following additives may produce too much coffee mud (Brown Slime). Note, in this case should be a fungus ...
Amino Acid LPS,
Amino Acid HC,
Sponge Power,
Zeofood7,
Zeostart2,
Coral Vitalizer &
K-Balance Potassium (Strong)

However ZeoBac overdose, my observations will produce a thin layer, you can see through the mud ....

Another aquarists Charl ... suspect he also caused by excessive carbon anti bony color fades and STN ... he also KZ, and coffee sludge generated ...

We agreed that ... STN and coffee sludge treatment must first be separated, and STN disposal priority.
The following is the treatment of ...
Carbon Anti stopped first, then slowly add back a little (after at least two weeks)
Continuous change the water, but use no water changes to avoid another level shock bony injury
Strengthen bones strong AA so hard against STN

Then talk about coffee mud problem ..
If only coffee grown in the mud off the only station, check off only if the new station. Some units will be released only broken PO4

Coffee is judged algae or bacteria mud, mud can of coffee at night performance, if almost night and day, that bacteria may be larger. On the contrary, it is a big chance of algae. More difficult to deal with algae, bacteria is relatively simple.


If the algae ... (First breath, do not panic, Be Strong), and then ...
Basically, three things can beat it
1. Dang added Kalk to improve PH
2 matt
3 addition of hydrogen peroxide

If the detail,

1. Day 1 ... other physical methods first try to remove the siphon
2 Add special partition (MICROBE-LIFT / Special Blend)
3. Day 2,3,4 matt
4. Day 5 lights for one hour, Day 6 lights two hours, Day 7 lights three o'clock
5 due to changes in lighting, attention stable Ca and KH
6 If the above steps, algae and students back to the bone after four Dian five days rest, repeat the above disposal
======
 
I used google translate:
=====
With an excess of carbon may cause anti-two phenomena ...
1. The water absorption of organic matter in water cause water too fast profit. This will cause the color fades even bony STN
2 yellow pigment will absorb too much water, too much water thoroughly, then indirectly, because suddenly the lights are too bright and bony injury caused by the color fades

For hairy brown algae, algae may be (dino), there may be bacteria (cyano) ...
If it is algae, not before the flood, algae-eating snails available Dian Dian hermit crab fish eat algae or other biological control.

If the bacteria, there may be additions in the "quantity" imbalance.
If KZ, plus the following additives may produce too much coffee mud (Brown Slime). Note, in this case should be a fungus ...
Amino Acid LPS,
Amino Acid HC,
Sponge Power,
Zeofood7,
Zeostart2,
Coral Vitalizer &
K-Balance Potassium (Strong)

However ZeoBac overdose, my observations will produce a thin layer, you can see through the mud ....

Another aquarists Charl ... suspect he also caused by excessive carbon anti bony color fades and STN ... he also KZ, and coffee sludge generated ...

We agreed that ... STN and coffee sludge treatment must first be separated, and STN disposal priority.
The following is the treatment of ...
Carbon Anti stopped first, then slowly add back a little (after at least two weeks)
Continuous change the water, but use no water changes to avoid another level shock bony injury
Strengthen bones strong AA so hard against STN

Then talk about coffee mud problem ..
If only coffee grown in the mud off the only station, check off only if the new station. Some units will be released only broken PO4

Coffee is judged algae or bacteria mud, mud can of coffee at night performance, if almost night and day, that bacteria may be larger. On the contrary, it is a big chance of algae. More difficult to deal with algae, bacteria is relatively simple.


If the algae ... (First breath, do not panic, Be Strong), and then ...
Basically, three things can beat it
1. Dang added Kalk to improve PH
2 matt
3 addition of hydrogen peroxide

If the detail,

1. Day 1 ... other physical methods first try to remove the siphon
2 Add special partition (MICROBE-LIFT / Special Blend)
3. Day 2,3,4 matt
4. Day 5 lights for one hour, Day 6 lights two hours, Day 7 lights three o'clock
5 due to changes in lighting, attention stable Ca and KH
6 If the above steps, algae and students back to the bone after four Dian five days rest, repeat the above disposal
======

Hahaha... You don't have to use Google translate.. The original English version is from you, my friend...
 
BTW... MICROBE-LIFT / Special Blend...Does it mean http://www.microbelift.com/products/home-aquarium/bacterial-products/special-blend/ ?

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How this help brown slime control, I can't find directly connection from the product specification.
 
Ok switch the lights on today water crystal clear but two of my corals RTN and die don't know what to do any more, will test water parameters today and post back for now no slime on substrate all clean but time will tell.

Then a question how long must I run my light for (all the lights) 1 hour 2 hours please help, I switch the UV off for now. Corals not to happy lost colour can I dose something or must I just leave the dosing for now. Can I do a small water change?

Thanks for the help my friends.
Charl,
 
Ok switch the lights on today water crystal clear but two of my corals RTN and die don't know what to do any more, will test water parameters today and post back for now no slime on substrate all clean but time will tell.

Then a question how long must I run my light for (all the lights) 1 hour 2 hours please help, I switch the UV off for now. Corals not to happy lost colour can I dose something or must I just leave the dosing for now. Can I do a small water change?

Thanks for the help my friends.
Charl,

If the corals are not happy at this moment, it is not wise to attempt any treatment to battle the brown slime.

For now, you need to find out why the corals STN'd. Give the corals about a week. When you notice recovery, then you can resume treatment.

The treatment I described wont cause healthy corals to STN/RTN. I would also cut back on the Start3, also check the flow through the Zeolite reactor and decrease flow a little if you can.

Keep us updated.
 
Ok switch the lights on today water crystal clear but two of my corals RTN and die don't know what to do any more, will test water parameters today and post back for now no slime on substrate all clean but time will tell.

Then a question how long must I run my light for (all the lights) 1 hour 2 hours please help, I switch the UV off for now. Corals not to happy lost colour can I dose something or must I just leave the dosing for now. Can I do a small water change?

Thanks for the help my friends.
Charl,

Also, feed the fishes a bit more. Try to avoid too many Zeo additives. Try and carry out a small water change too.

Main thing is to make sure the flow through the Zeovit reactor isnt too fast and that the Start3 dose is kept low for a week.
 
Hi sahin,

Thanks for the reply my friend.
How long can I run my lights for?
And must I dose start3
All lights run for a hour now no brown slime at the moment all clean

Thanks Charl
 
Hi Shih87.
I've just read all the thread.
Your tank is really beatiful.
IMO, the problems You are facing at in the last times are due to too low nutrients, in particular too low nitrogen. STN, cyano, brown film algae are all expressions of the same problem.
Then ,by my viewpoint, PO4 remain high just because there is not enough N to make bacteria grow and consume P too.

There are many ways to increase N, but all are dangerous if made too fast and increase organics too fast because lead to quick grow of pathogenic algae and bacteria and cause fast consuming of microelements.
You can reduce light duration. You can add fishes. You can increase food (I would use mainly frozen mysis in addition to Your food, it has a higher N/P ratio than other foods). You can dose KNO3 or NaNO3: I think it is safe, probably safer than risking raising too quickly organics; I know some people doing that with excellent results.

About testing.
I advice You to use salifert NO3 test and try to have a slightly pink colour looking at the vial from the side (between 0 and 0,2ppm I mean).

Salifert K test is great. I checked 3 different batches of tests with two reference solutions made by myself with [K] 370 and 430ppm and results were precise. I can also say test remains reliable even whent it's 6 months old.

About Hanna PO4 photometer, I can suggest You a trick about HI93713, which is the one I own; I don't know if it will work on others model. I use Tunze/Elos Hi res/Rowa/Deltec reagents instead of Hanna ones. I simply put the reagents in the 10ml Hanna vial (5 drops reagents 1 and 1 spoon reagents 2), 3 minutes gentle hand-mixing (You mustn't trap bubbles in the liquid) and then immediate and 3 minutes delayed reading by photometer. Results are always precise and reliable. You can repeat 10 times the test (I mean sampling again water from tank and new reagents) and You will read the same results, differently from what You obtain from Hanna reagents. Finally I can say I test this too with 3 reference solution, always made by myself, with [PO4] 1,2ppm, 0,12ppm and 0,03ppm and results were exactly the expected ones.

About Iron testing, I hope You know You have to test it just a couple of hours You administer Iron and it is enough to find 0,05ppm. If You test it after one day, You will read 0ppm because all organics quickly bind iron falsely showing You it is zero and You could be wrongly induced to give other iron (I already made this mistake in the past and hope to avoid it to others). You can also read GlennF threads: He uses to test it and regularly administer it and give some information about that.

Hope it could help and You could solve your problem. Ask for any doubt.

Luca
 
Hi sahin,

Thanks for the reply my friend.
How long can I run my lights for?
And must I dose start3
All lights run for a hour now no brown slime at the moment all clean

Thanks Charl

If you are having STN issues, I would bring the lights back up to full light over the next 3 days. So today run 3 hours, 5 hours next day and full light the day after.

Start3; reduce amount to 2/3. Just to allow the corals better chance of recovery.
 
If you are having STN issues, I would bring the lights back up to full light over the next 3 days. So today run 3 hours, 5 hours next day and full light the day after.

Start3; reduce amount to 2/3. Just to allow the corals better chance of recovery.

Thank you for the great advice sahin will do and post the result

Charl,
 
Thank you for the great advice sahin will do and post the result

Charl,

Can you please post the following details:

1. Tank + Sump volume in Gallons (US)

2. Amount of Zeolite?

3. Speed of flow through the Zeolite reactor? how many gallons per hour?

4. Dose of Start3?

5. Dose of Zeobac?

6. Dosing anything else like Zeofood?

Thanks.
 
Can you please post the following details:

1. Tank + Sump volume in Gallons (US)

2. Amount of Zeolite?

3. Speed of flow through the Zeolite reactor? how many gallons per hour?

4. Dose of Start3?

5. Dose of Zeobac?

6. Dosing anything else like Zeofood?

Thanks.

sahin, I feel bad to post my problems on this thread will start new one can you please reply on my new thread I will really appreciate it.

Sorry for intruding on your thread it's very rude of me shih87 will still post on your thread and reply as I go along and see if I can help your situation with your tank hope things go well.

Thank you my friend for your help here on your thread shih87

Charl
 
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