reefmutt
Active member
Well, Andrew, clearly, I'm an older fart than you!! I haven't a clue what an MSDS is!!
Mark, thank you, young man!!
Good info on this page!! .. Er.. The previous page..
Sadly not very splashy, in terms of color!!
A Splash of Color
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Well, Andrew, clearly, I'm an older fart than you!! I haven't a clue what an MSDS is!!
Mark, thank you, young man!!
Good info on this page!! .. Er.. The previous page..
Sadly not very splashy, in terms of color!!
Chibils
halide loyalist
It's a material safety data sheet! I knew one of these for once!Well, Andrew, clearly, I'm an older fart than you!! I haven't a clue what an MSDS is!!
Mark, thank you, young man!!
Good info on this page!! .. Er.. The previous page..
Sadly not very splashy, in terms of color!!
Unfortunately, it was entirely unrelated to reefing................
biggles
Premium Member
biggles
Premium Member
Manganese interferes with PS1 & PS11 to kill cyano or more corectly to stop it living. It stops the organism from producing light gathering pigments lost during normal photosynthetic activity. Chlorophyll A etc are the colored 'bits' in the zoa that give it the 'brown/green' color.
So if we can inhibit a specific process that will only do two things in our reef without adversely affecting anything else and those two things are:
1. control cyano completely and problem algae to varying degrees.
2. regulate how light or dark the zoa are without decreasing their number so as to maintain healthy nutrient transfer to corals.
Number one sounds good for obvious reasons.
Number two means less chlorophyll light shading so the acro is 'forced' to produce more protective pigments now that you have made the zoa less efficient at producing chlorophyll. As long as the nutrition drop from less photosynthetic activity in the zoa is replaced with water borne nutrition and required elements for pigment formation are present i believe you can produce good results.
That's the basic idea of what i believe is happening in my almost 3 month experiment.
Nothing but feeding fish and no water changes and nothing else, no skimmate, roids - nothing but a skimmer, cup of carbon in a bag in the sump and 16L matrix.
I have tried very hard to limit variables over the 3 months and you all know exactly what the only chemicals are i'm using in a once a day dose. I'm swapping the trace hard for Replenish this weekend since many find it hard to get Salifert trace hard. I'm confident it will do the same job because the ratio of iron to manganese is much less than the ratio in sea water and iron limited with manganese is exactly what i want, not no iron because it's essential but just enough.
This is where it all started, i was trying to figure out why cyano was no longer a problem.
Thanks very much Mark
slavetonet
New member
Andrew, the crazy genius. :wildone:
Cheers,
Kevin
Cheers,
Kevin
biggles
Premium Member
Just crazy Kevin, just crazy mate..............:rollface:
This pic is for you Christian after two weeks your pieces are still 'glowing'........ they are too silly for words, especially the mother of pearl rainbow colored thing with pink glowing tips.
The little blue polyped thing is glowing far left and the aqua with blue tips glowing thing is in the middle of the pic.
Of course i'm crazy and know nothing about colors............:reading:
biggles
Premium Member
Thanks Dan
They're not your run of the mill stunners - that's why i bought cough eleven cough pieces
Hey Chrisitan, thanks for saying hi and especially for the bling bling mate
NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TALK TO MY COLLECTOR EXCEPT ME !
Wrangy
Acrotrooper
Can I say hi too? :uhoh2:NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TALK TO MY COLLECTOR EXCEPT ME !
biggles
Premium Member
biggles
Premium Member
Last visit to Deer Park i saw more pastel stuff from Chris and said to Dave ' why didn't you tell me you were getting more pieces from Chris Dave '
You know what Dave said.... ' but you told me last time your tank was full and not to tell you if more stuff was coming in '
' but that one looks bloody orange, i didn't get an orange one last time '
' it looks pink to me ' says Dave.
2 hours later when he took it out of the water to bag it for me you know what Dave said.........
' oh wow look how orange this one is out of the water '......:facepalm:
That is the hell i go through to get good acros people........... it's hard work.......:hammer:
You know what Dave said.... ' but you told me last time your tank was full and not to tell you if more stuff was coming in '
' but that one looks bloody orange, i didn't get an orange one last time '
' it looks pink to me ' says Dave.
2 hours later when he took it out of the water to bag it for me you know what Dave said.........
' oh wow look how orange this one is out of the water '......:facepalm:
That is the hell i go through to get good acros people........... it's hard work.......:hammer:
Wrangy
Acrotrooper
Whew I was getting worried! :uhoh3:Sorry Dom, anyone with a Radium over their tank can talk to Chris.......
Hi! :wave: (now that Andrew said it's okay :lolspin: )
Like is a bit of an understatement! Lol you're doing a pretty bang up job mate and we were all giggling in the store last time we were that excited haha
plyle02
Active member
Just crazy Kevin, just crazy mate..............:rollface:
This pic is for you Christian after two weeks your pieces are still 'glowing'........ they are too silly for words, especially the mother of pearl rainbow colored thing with pink glowing tips.
The little blue polyped thing is glowing far left and the aqua with blue tips glowing thing is in the middle of the pic.
Of course i'm crazy and know nothing about colors............:reading:
Holy Smokes Andrew, those centered pieces have some serious glow, that aqua piece though, it looks almost fake it is so bright! Good to see the experiment is having such amazing results, great reads too. Thanks for posting such amazing corals!!!
I know Dom ,
Dave , told me it was like seeing a whole lot of kidds in a toy store or a lolly store what ever suits
I sent some yellow bling tonight to have a look at maybe your self and Andrew missed thst one
Chris
DiscusHeckel
Acropora Gardener
Thanks for sharing this information. What are PS1 and PS11? Do you have the full citation to the article you referred to?
Cheers
mhucasey
Acros & wieners, oh my!
Manganese interferes with PS1 & PS11 to kill cyano or more corectly to stop it living. It stops the organism from producing light gathering pigments lost during normal photosynthetic activity. Chlorophyll A etc are the colored 'bits' in the zoa that give it the 'brown/green' color.
So if we can inhibit a specific process that will only do two things in our reef without adversely affecting anything else and those two things are:
1. control cyano completely and problem algae to varying degrees.
2. regulate how light or dark the zoa are without decreasing their number so as to maintain healthy nutrient transfer to corals.
Number one sounds good for obvious reasons.
Number two means less chlorophyll light shading so the acro is 'forced' to produce more protective pigments now that you have made the zoa less efficient at producing chlorophyll. As long as the nutrition drop from less photosynthetic activity in the zoa is replaced with water borne nutrition and required elements for pigment formation are present i believe you can produce good results.
That's the basic idea of what i believe is happening in my almost 3 month experiment.
Nothing but feeding fish and no water changes and nothing else, no skimmate, roids - nothing but a skimmer, cup of carbon in a bag in the sump and 16L matrix.
I have tried very hard to limit variables over the 3 months and you all know exactly what the only chemicals are i'm using in a once a day dose. I'm swapping the trace hard for Replenish this weekend since many find it hard to get Salifert trace hard. I'm confident it will do the same job because the ratio of iron to manganese is much less than the ratio in sea water and iron limited with manganese is exactly what i want, not no iron because it's essential but just enough.
This is where it all started, i was trying to figure out why cyano was no longer a problem.
Thanks very much Mark
Well your stormtroopers cant shoot straight but the Empire's scientists appear to be on the cutting edge! Very interesting info!
