A Splash of Color

[joshky]

I thought i told you guys already what i dose each morning along with keeping the conditions i talked about.

I dose 2ml of Salifert trace hard and 0.5ml of koral color each morning along with 2 drops of brightwell Lugols. Feed the fish and skim with carbon and heaps of matrix, no water changes since last year.

Let's just go back to thinking i have some secret element i dose and pretend i never said a thing please lol. Sooner or later i'll lose it just like i told you would happen Dom lol............:deadhorse1:

So you're telling me you don't package your own bigglesweat? I thought that was the secret. Here I was thinking you aussies had...... ooooh look, a koala!

 

[Spslvr]

Thanks mate

I only go looking at acros when Dave lets me know a shipment from Sustainable Reefs in Cairns is coming. There is a very big difference in what is collected by different businesses and Christian is like a white pointer sniffing blood from miles away when it comes to finding precious stunners.

The only way i can say thank you to the guy who supplies all my acros is to point out to you overseas guys that you already have access to 3rd and 4th gen frags cultivated by the same guy that supplied 80% of the acros in my display. The last lot were too ridiculous for words and Dom scored a bunch of beauties which he posted pics of tonight

Thanks Christian and Nick :love1:

biggles secret supplier

Before i went to look at the crazy shipment.......

Anytime mate, ill make sure we keep up the quality for you and thanks for your support....

 

[sahin]

I thought i told you guys already what i dose each morning along with keeping the conditions i talked about.

I dose 2ml of Salifert trace hard and 0.5ml of koral color each morning along with 2 drops of brightwell Lugols. Feed the fish and skim with carbon and heaps of matrix, no water changes since last year.

Let's just go back to thinking i have some secret element i dose and pretend i never said a thing please lol. Sooner or later i'll lose it just like i told you would happen Dom lol............:deadhorse1:

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And what Andrew told us already...

Is what is written about here...

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/4/aafeature1

Manganese is there on the chart...

What I am interested in is exactly what conditions are required get maximum effect. Andrew has likely told us already...he's mentioned he follows parameters similar to AF and Zeovit...anything else we should be looking at mate?

If I've completely misunderstood then :headwally:

 

[biggles]

Anytime mate, ill make sure we keep up the quality for you and thanks for your support....

I clicked on the site photo gallery and saw one link only - Ricordia

I reckon if you put those through a blender and fed them to the acros the colors would get transferred............

Ask Christian to give it a try as the science seems pretty sound from where i'm sitting Nick :reading:

You know those little $^%#%@'s sting acros right :mad2:

 

[Spslvr]

I clicked on the site photo gallery and saw one link only - Ricordia

I reckon if you put those through a blender and fed them to the acros the colors would get transferred............

Ask Christian to give it a try as the science seems pretty sound from where i'm sitting Nick :reading:

You know those little $^%#%@'s sting acros right :mad2:

Yes they do sting acros, but my acros seem to grow around em lol.....

Good tip on the blender trick......:lolspin::lolspin::lolspin:

 

[biggles]

Manganese is there on the chart...

What I am interested in is exactly what conditions are required get maximum effect. Andrew has likely told us already...he's mentioned he follows parameters similar to AF and Zeovit...anything else we should be looking at mate?

If I've completely misunderstood then :headwally:

Manganese had the most positive effects but not much. My sudden cyano free and stuff all algae problems while the acros were coloring up better than i've ever seen and growing faster than i'm used to needs to be explained. Those two things are linked so i thought we could try to work out wth was going on as it might be something that could help all of us.

My skimmate rose from 250ml to 400ml after the first month.

My Mg draw has dropped in relation to alk and calcium.

I have plenty of detritus in the sump and overflow and don't use socks.

phos is 0.03

nitrates are 5


I'm doing way too little to explain the success i'm seeing in my opinion so something is most definitely up with the few things i'm using. Sounds weird but that's why i have spent weeks looking into the whole thing in an effort to explain it. :beer:

 

[markalot]

I thought i told you guys already what i dose each morning along with keeping the conditions i talked about.

I dose 2ml of Salifert trace hard and 0.5ml of koral color each morning along with 2 drops of brightwell Lugols. Feed the fish and skim with carbon and heaps of matrix, no water changes since last year.

Let's just go back to thinking i have some secret element i dose and pretend i never said a thing please lol. Sooner or later i'll lose it just like i told you would happen Dom lol............:deadhorse1:

The only real question that remains is what the heck is in Brightwell's Koral Color. Is it like ZoeSpur2 and forces the acros to expel Zoox, or is it the kinder gentler magical sauce, developed by a scientist, that just happens to work?

 

[reefwiser]

You are missing a marketing opportunity. Repackages as Biggles juice and lead the good life.

 

[justy]

Hi

So to summaries. Now I may have completely got this wrong and if so please ignore me! If we have to much iron and a high kh, manganese may become limited, this is why you do not use GFO, keep kh at NSW levels and dose products containing amongst other things manganese.
I presume that AF micro b contains manganese of which I am currently dosing 3 drops per 300ltr.
I do witness a coming and going of a small amount of cyno on the sand which seems to be linked with dosing.
Please keep up the dialogue it's fascinating!

 

[reefmutt]

Hi

So to summaries. Now I may have completely got this wrong and if so please ignore me! If we have to much iron and a high kh, manganese may become limited, this is why you do not use GFO, keep kh at NSW levels and dose products containing amongst other things manganese.
I presume that AF micro b contains manganese of which I am currently dosing 3 drops per 300ltr.
I do witness a coming and going of a small amount of cyno on the sand which seems to be linked with dosing.
Please keep up the dialogue it's fascinating!

Aquaforest's Coral B doesn't have manganese as an important part of its composition, I don't think... It's Micro E, which contains manganese as an important part of its micro element ingredients. As it is in Salifert's Trace Hard supplement..
It seems to me that higher ph- which is slightly more likely to occur in a reef with higher kh levels- renders manganese less effective or less reactive.
As does excess dissolved iron...
From what I have tried to gather from Andrew's not entirely cohesive explanations (sorry, Andrew, but it's all still a little unclear), is that higher iron and higher ph make manganese less effective at doing what it is supposed to be doing...
What I'm not entirely clear on is what manganese is doing..
There was mention of chlorophyll A and cyano..
Is manganese responsible for inhibiting cyano (or the light up taking ability-and therefore it's ability to live) and chlorophyll A (which is used by some zoox in corals)?
And is it more effective at doing this in iron limited and more acidic systems?

Andrew, although the jokes are flying around, I'm pretty sure everybody is taking what you say pretty seriously.. I certainly am.... I'm getting sick of trying to get the food colouring dye out from under my fingernails... And for some reason, it doesn't even stick to my corals like it does to yours!!

 

[joshky]

Andrew, although the jokes are flying around, I'm pretty sure everybody is taking what you say pretty seriously.. I certainly am.... I'm getting sick of trying to get the food colouring dye out from under my fingernails... And for some reason, it doesn't even stick to my corals like it does to yours!!

+1 :beer:

 

[reefmutt]

Manganese had the most positive effects but not much. My sudden cyano free and stuff all algae problems while the acros were coloring up better than i've ever seen and growing faster than i'm used to needs to be explained. Those two things are linked so i thought we could try to work out wth was going on as it might be something that could help all of us.

My skimmate rose from 250ml to 400ml after the first month.

My Mg draw has dropped in relation to alk and calcium.

I have plenty of detritus in the sump and overflow and don't use socks.

phos is 0.03

nitrates are 5


I'm doing way too little to explain the success i'm seeing in my opinion so something is most definitely up with the few things i'm using. Sounds weird but that's why i have spent weeks looking into the whole thing in an effort to explain it. :beer:

Ok.. So I have re read this Andrew and realize that it isn't all that clear to you either what exactly went on..
Fair enough.. I take back my complaint about the lack of cohesion to your explanations..

Question.. What was your motivation for going with the Koral Color and Salifert Trace Hard in the first place?

I have to say that you are one of the lucky ones to have a naturally low po4 level in relation to your system specs and fish load/feeding/no3 levels.
If I tried to just add food to up my n to 5, my p would go way above .2. And I'm running a massive cheato fuge...

I have in my possession some Koral Color and I have Aquaforest Micro E on the way.. I have not yet used them and won't for a while as I want to see where things go with my tank a bit longer but I will definitely give the pair a shot..

Do you consider you system to be iron limited?

 

[reefmutt]

Manganese had the most positive effects but not much. My sudden cyano free and stuff all algae problems while the acros were coloring up better than i've ever seen and growing faster than i'm used to needs to be explained. Those two things are linked so i thought we could try to work out wth was going on as it might be something that could help all of us.

My skimmate rose from 250ml to 400ml after the first month.

My Mg draw has dropped in relation to alk and calcium.

I have plenty of detritus in the sump and overflow and don't use socks.

phos is 0.03

nitrates are 5


I'm doing way too little to explain the success i'm seeing in my opinion so something is most definitely up with the few things i'm using. Sounds weird but that's why i have spent weeks looking into the whole thing in an effort to explain it. :beer:

Ok.. So I have re read this Andrew and realize that it isn't all that clear to you either what exactly went on..
Fair enough.. I take back my complaint about the lack of cohesion to your explanations..

Question.. What was your motivation for going with the Koral Color and Salifert Trace Hard in the first place?

I have to say that you are one of the lucky ones to have a naturally low po4 level in relation to your system specs and fish load/feeding/no3 levels.
If I tried to just add food to up my n to 5, my p would go way above .2. And I'm running a massive cheato fuge...

I have in my possession some Koral Color and I have Aquaforest Micro E on the way.. I have not yet used them and won't for a while as I want to see where things go with my tank a bit longer but I will definitely give the pair a shot..

Do you consider you system to be iron limited?
Also, do you consider the lack of wcs as an important factor to your success?

Sorry about the double post..

 

[deaclauderdale]

So where do I get my dose of Biggles Juice from? Was going to use the abbreviation BJ, but then I thought about...lol

 

[M007]

BJ would be most appropriate in this thread :celeb1::hammer::lolspin::facepalm:

 

[Piper27]

What is a good option for maganese addition besides Kent maganese and iron? I can't ever get iron to read on my red sea test kit either. Not after dumping iron in the tank on accident. Kents prouduct has maganese, potassium, iron, molybdenum and zinc. I only ask because Kents prouducts seem to be more water than elements. I use this because my tank uses the potassium and iron no matter how often I can remember to add it and I can't find any other prouducts with any good amount of zinc.

 

[sahin]

I have plenty of detritus in the sump and overflow and don't use socks.

phos is 0.03

nitrates are 5


I'm doing way too little to explain the success i'm seeing in my opinion so something is most definitely up with the few things i'm using. Sounds weird but that's why i have spent weeks looking into the whole thing in an effort to explain it. :beer:

Andrew I was hoping for more discussion on this but since you havent logged on over the weekend, I hope all is well mate. :beer: Did you go on a secret acro hoarding trip without Dom? :lol:

Your thread is far too popular and good info is scattered all over pages, so it might be useful if you could summarise your whole system:

1. Lighting: MH/T5/LED - 400w Radium/T5 ? /LED ?

2. Filtration: Skimmer + GAC + Siporax/Matrix + Liverock + Sand

3. Dosing Main: 3 part

4. Supplemental Dosing: 2ml of Salifert trace hard, 0.5ml of BA koral color and 2 drops of brightwell Lugols daily

5. Feeding: Not sure what you are currently feeding? Be good to see a list of foods and if you can confirm skimmate still being fed to corals at night?

6. Maintenance: No water changes. Only GAC; what is replacement frequency and rough amount?

7. Voodoo magic/singing to corals/TLC? :lol:

It would help if the basics of the system was in once place. What are your gut feeling as to why you are having the success?

Also, you bloody well always had great colours...always. So what is the main difference you are noticing in your corals now?

 

[reefmutt]

+1
Good idea, sahin.

 

[Chibils]

Thanks, I really wanted to read more about Andrew's secret methods but this talk is all over my tiny head...

 

[1000_smiles]

Along those lines, I was wondering if the Deltec SC 1455 from your old 65 is keeping up with the new tank, or if you upgraded skimmers somewhere along the way