A take on BB methodology.

diverrad said:
not me man I never said that.

saying things like BB tanks have the highest nutrients and All DSBs will fail those are blanket statements. Saying that some has a nice tank and works hard at it is not.
What was you point anyway did it help the discuttion in any way or was just yet another finger pointing post like this one :)
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Sorry if it came off as finger pointing :) It was never meant to be in that tone.

My point is .. most of the equipment on JBNY's tank isnt to maintain the DSB. I have never seen his system in person, but I have watched his sight for over a year. His system is very technical, but which pieces of equipment do you consider are necessary to maintain a DSB.

I have a BB at this point, but I had a DSB in the past. While I had a DSB, I didnt use any equipment to maintain it. I really couldnt, because the main problem I see with DSB is you dont know what is happening within them. How can you use equipment to fix or maintain something if you dont know what's broken?

Most (if not all ) of the equipment JBNY uses could be placed on a BB tank. It is just a matter of choice for the hobbiest.
 
LOL you funny! LOL

Ok, so I read it. Let me see if I have this right. You set up a tank with a DSB and you progressively remove more and more sand - which is your filter - until you have no filter.

......and the tank gets dirtier

Or is it the other way around. You add more and more sand making it a bigger and bigger filter and it lasts longer.
 
Joseph

3 pumps, a skimmer, a sump, a UV (optional), and a chiller

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Bomber said:
Joseph

3 pumps, a skimmer, a sump, a UV (optional), and a chiller

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Bomber,

Without a doubt your system is great. I subscribe to the philosophy the more equipment you have the more likely something is going to fail.
 
Bob is never going to forgive me for flooding him out = and you bozos are going to see to it that he never forgets it!

stop it ROTFL:lol:
 
bomber,
you add sand it converts nitrogenous waste to n2 gas (export) the bacteria in the bed incorporate phosphate. You vaccum 25% of the bed once a month to remove bacteria that have incorpated waste(export)..
You still skim the tank heavely(export), you still have large amount of water flow(detritus in supension).

The sand keeps the tank more stable.
 
Alright, don't get upset with me, but that's the way it's told in the hobby books and it's wrong.

you add sand it converts nitrogenous waste to n gas (export)
Complete denitrification and demineralization is a very slow process which is easily overwhelmed in closed systems. In other words, you put it in there much faster than it can be processed.
the bacteria in the bed incorporate phosphate.
Redfield ratio says you need such a small amount of P, that that system is grossly overwhelmed also. Second, after they incorporate the little bit that they do, then what?
You vaccum 25% of the bed once a month to remove bacteria that have incorpated waste(export)..
and that makes it very unstable again. Those layers have to get reestablished again and in the process release/burp nutrients. pH, temp, salinity all cause sediments to flux and vacuuming changes the pH, getting reestablished changes the pH.

You still skim the tank heavely(export), you still have large amount of water flow(detritus in supension).
You ask a sand bed to grab ammonium right then and fast. Before a outside filter could process it. Why would it only grab ammonium? A sand bed is going to grab anything first before you can get to it with a outside filter - skimmer.

The sand keeps the tank more stable.
This again is hobby speak. Sediments can keep the system unstable. Bacterial flux makes them that way. The only way you get around bacterial flux is to have a sterile sand bed with no nutrients and no bacteria.
If you ask a sand bed to preform denitrification - it has to flux.

Weatherman posted this link to a sediment paper. It's a good one, read it if you have the time.

http://lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~olli/eutr/html/htmlBook_100.html
 
I don't know enough of Eric's work to make my own opinion.

I do know that Bomber is the one in the general reef/sps/advanced forums (not in only 1 forum) spreading his method/take on a method for the whole world to see and disect.

And I also know that his threads are years old and 100's of pages long, and NO-ONE has been able to disprove that this method is superior to any of the methods out there.

so....
 
NoSchwag said:
I don't know enough of Eric's work to make my own opinion.

I do know that Bomber is the one in the general reef/sps/advanced forums (not in only 1 forum) spreading his method/take on a method for the whole world to see and disect.

And I also know that his threads are years old and 100's of pages long, and NO-ONE has been able to disprove that this method is superior to any of the methods out there.

so....
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Interesting take on it Schwag.

I know it's easy for people to slam me, that's actually half the fun of it. They make a total arse out of themselves, bump the thread back to the top for more people to read, and most of us get a laugh out of it.
If they read the old threads they would know how many people are running BB systems, mods and admins too, on this site that they are slamming at the same time. LOL

So what would you have me do? "spreading his method" you're such a trip.

Let me set you straight. If trolls can post to the threads and try and bash me, I can certainly answer people's questions about running BB systems. And I don't have any "method".

Here's one for you,

Not one single person on all those threads in all these years has been able to prove me wrong.
Why don't you do some research and see if you can be the first? :)
 
Holly cow thats a big UV. I guess you have to wear a lead bib working on the tank if there are ever to be more little bombers walking around.

I know you've said that UV is optional, but you've gone pretty big for an optional piece of equipment. Somehow I get a feeling that equipment on your tank isn't by accident, so why so big?
 
ejamsrhere said:
I know you've said that UV is optional, but you've gone pretty big for an optional piece of equipment. Somehow I get a feeling that equipment on your tank isn't by accident, so why so big?
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Lots of reasons. It's cheaper to buy one bigger that's still sized right when the bulb degrades, than it is to replace bulbs. You can't put a UV on a system that's too big. I tend to take things in and out of that tank a lot, every thing runs the risk of introducing parasites. I could hook it up with enough flow to be my closed loop in the tank. I wanted to burn off particulate organics and make that more available to things that are easier to skim - bacterial flock and phyto. Stop coral warfare chemicals, I keep some gorgs that corals don't like to share space with. I won't use carbon. etc etc

(that was a question Schwag, is it alright if I answer it LOL)
 
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