Abyzzamerica DC pumps
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clorox
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I have the A100 and will use it as an in-tank wave maker. My hope is it will generate enough water movement so I can forego propeller pumps. I have it concealed inside a dedicated custom ceramic rock made by korallenwelt.
The tank is a custom shallow 130gallon, and I should get it wet in a couple of weeks.
The tank is a custom shallow 130gallon, and I should get it wet in a couple of weeks.
gcarroll
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Stop now for you know not what you speak!
Dmorty217
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I hear you but it's not Chinese built and I'm assuming doesn't have the Chinese reliability issues. The pump that was on display was the 2400$ version that had 45 ft of head pressure. The random mode was what got me interested and the fact it's German made and not Chinese. Most all other DC pumps I have seen won't even push water to the otherwise of my 625g let alone provide any varying current
slief
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Sorry to tell you but these are not Chinese pumps in any way. In fact, each pump is hand made by Abyzz in Germany and carries a 10 year warranty. Abyzz pumps have been around for a number of years and excellent quality that you can't even begin to compare to ANY Chinese pumps. Show me a Chinese DC pump with a 45' head capability let alone one with that kind of warranty! I promies you, there are NONE.
Hopefully Abyzz US does a good job selling and supporting these pumps. There are very few high quality DC style pumps on the market and these are one of those few and I would have no issues running one of these on my system. The compare very favorably to the RD3's and until Royal Exclusiv releases their pressure impeller for the RD3, these Abyzz pumps are the only DC pump that can offer DC efficiency and quiet running capabilities with the kind of pressure capabilities only found in pumps like the Iwaki's.
That is the understatement of the year! Wait till he looks at the Abyzz 400.. :lol:
mcgyvr
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I said Chinese "style" DC pump.. as in its identical to all the other waveline/rlss/jebao,etc... style DC pumps coming out of China in form..
They just seem to be slightly "bigger" versions..
Didn't intend to imply that I felt they were the same just re-branded and the 1000% German markup
I still think the pricing is INSANE for what it is..
And "manufactured in Germany" really doesn't mean all the parts don't come from a Chinese or similar factory..
I know nothing of the company though..
Just 1000-2000 for any pump is INSANE to me..
They just seem to be slightly "bigger" versions..
Didn't intend to imply that I felt they were the same just re-branded and the 1000% German markup
I still think the pricing is INSANE for what it is..
And "manufactured in Germany" really doesn't mean all the parts don't come from a Chinese or similar factory..
I know nothing of the company though..
Just 1000-2000 for any pump is INSANE to me..
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reefkeeper2
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Scott, any idea as to when Royal Exclusive will have that impeller out? I was going to re-plumb my return line to get rid of that 1 inch restriction at the bulkhead but I will put it on hold if the release is sometime soon.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
The warranty is unmatched and in this hobby if you don't buy quality, you will purchase again and again. Didn't get a chance to speak with you Scott, the Royal booth was a busy place!
slief
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I said Chinese "style" DC pump.. as in its identical to all the other waveline/rlss/jebao,etc... style DC pumps coming out of China in form..
They just seem to be slightly "bigger" versions..
Didn't intend to imply that I felt they were the same just re-branded and the 1000% German markup
I still think the pricing is INSANE for what it is..
And "manufactured in Germany" really doesn't mean all the parts don't come from a Chinese or similar factory..
I know nothing of the company though..
Just 1000-2000 for any pump is INSANE to me..
Niether the Abyzz or the Royal Exclusiv pumps have any parts sourced from China short of maybe some IC's or transistors. If you pick up one of either of these pumps and then pick up a Chinese DC pump, you'd feel the difference. These Germany pumps weigh 3x as much because they are built with quality components. These are not some chintzy plastic pump. Instead these are well built and well engineered. They Have titanium parts instead of stainless or plastic. They are safe when used externally and won't leak unlike the Chinese ones tend to. They are much more efficient gallon for gallon, infinitely more reliable, have a better warranties etc. I could go on and on but I suspect it will fall on deaf ears for some. Make no mistake though.. Just because they move water and have variable speed doesn't make them anything like a cheap Chinese DC pump. No more so than you can compare a Moped to a Ducati or Harley.
I will put it another way for you. Some may be happy driving a Kia or Hyundai while others prefer the quality of a Mercedes or BMW. Some prefer the fact that the aforementioned cars have metal panels and don't sound tinny when you shut the doors becuase they and aren't made out of plastic. They have real leather and not vinyl. Of course some of that is an analogy but I think you get my point. Like all cars get you from point A to point B, pumps move water. Some just do it better, more reliably, quieter and more efficiently and have better warranties just in case you ever need it. You do get what you pay for in that market.
Personally, after 27+ years in this hobby, I've learned that quality is much more important than cost for me. Especially when some of us have tens of thousands invensted in our reefs and live stock. A return pump failure is completely unacceptable to me. I will NEVER sacrafice quality over cost. To each their own though. Everybody is different.
I wish I could give you an answer on that. I wouldn't expect it before years end though. It's at least a few months out as far as I am aware. I know some testing is being done but that's as much as I know right now. I will ask again for an update.
I agree!
Regarding MACNA, I'm sorry to hear that. It was busier than I would have expected but I could have been pried away! You should have introduced yourself. I would have loved to have met you. I met a number of RC'rs there too! Oh well, I'm here for ya even though I can't put a face to your username!
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ArmanS
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Doesn't look like a cheap chinese pump to me. :lolspin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4SUnZu90qA
I've only heard great things about Abyzz Pumps and only seen them used on quality ROTM builds. It's great news that they are moving into the American Market and I think between them, RE, and Ecotech's new Vectra, we have three great options at different price points to fit everyones needs.
I can't understand why people spends thousands on livestock but do not get a quality return pump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4SUnZu90qA
I've only heard great things about Abyzz Pumps and only seen them used on quality ROTM builds. It's great news that they are moving into the American Market and I think between them, RE, and Ecotech's new Vectra, we have three great options at different price points to fit everyones needs.
I can't understand why people spends thousands on livestock but do not get a quality return pump.
Igorevich
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No doubt that Abyzz is a top quality, 10 year warranty with proof, the manufacturer is responsible for its guarantees.
Probably some small parts are made in China, China produce goods from low quality to high quality. Such a pump can only dream of, but yes the price is crazy
Probably some small parts are made in China, China produce goods from low quality to high quality. Such a pump can only dream of, but yes the price is crazy
clorox
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For those interested while I am settting up my new tank, I took some quick phone pics of the Abyzz A100 next to the RD3 80w.
The A100 is really diminutive in size, but packs impressive specs at 2245gal/h and 19.6ft head pressure for such a small footprint.
The build quality of the A100 pump exterior (the A200 and 400 are much sturdier when I looked at them) is not nearly as refined as the RD3.
However, the controller is more versatile as you can unplug both power and pump cables from the controller, something that is sorely missing on the RE pumps.
The controller also allows you to finely tune the flow speed and intensity over time.
The A100 is really diminutive in size, but packs impressive specs at 2245gal/h and 19.6ft head pressure for such a small footprint.
The build quality of the A100 pump exterior (the A200 and 400 are much sturdier when I looked at them) is not nearly as refined as the RD3.
However, the controller is more versatile as you can unplug both power and pump cables from the controller, something that is sorely missing on the RE pumps.
The controller also allows you to finely tune the flow speed and intensity over time.
slief
RC Sponsor
For those interested while I am settting up my new tank, I took some quick phone pics of the Abyzz A100 next to the RD3 80w.
The A100 is really diminutive in size, but packs impressive specs at 2245gal/h and 19.6ft head pressure for such a small footprint.
The build quality of the A100 pump exterior (the A200 and 400 are much sturdier when I looked at them) is not nearly as refined as the RD3.
However, the controller is more versatile as you can unplug both power and pump cables from the controller, something that is sorely missing on the RE pumps.
The controller also allows you to finely tune the flow speed and intensity over time.
I like your style!! You have great taste in pumps! :thumbsup:
Great info and comparison! That Abyzz 100 is tiny for it's power and a truly great pump. FWIW, the new RD3's that are soon to be arriving have removable pump connections on the controller and a smaller controller housing with some of the models. The new RD3 230 already has the removable pump connection which was a very pleasant surprise considering I too had the RD3 80.. I have to agree though, that connection was sorely missed but I'm glad that is now being including on the newest versions.
clorox
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I got my Abyzz during a business trip to Europe at the time when Abyzzamerica wasn't official yet. I got it at at a very good price. The demo units I saw operating in a test tank were so impressive I bought one on the spot. Currently the A100 is about $300 more than the RD3...yikes. :bigeyes:
I will have the tank cycling hopefully in 3 weeks upon return from a business trip to China, I will post my impressions of the A100. My goal is to use it as the only water moving source along with the RD3 as return.
I will have the tank cycling hopefully in 3 weeks upon return from a business trip to China, I will post my impressions of the A100. My goal is to use it as the only water moving source along with the RD3 as return.
sleepydoc
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Of course not! So many of their pumps go kerput in the first year they'd end up replacing the pump 10 times...and then have to charge 10x the price!
German Pump War! :bounce2::bounce3::bounce2:
Edit: I have to add, it would be nice to have something between the Jebao pumps and the Royal Exclusive & Abyzz pumps. I know there are many satisfied customers, but the Chinese pumps' failure rate eliminates them from consideration for me and many others. The German pumps' quality appears to be without equal, but their price puts them out of reach for many people. Perhaps it's just a matter of time for the DC pump market to mature, but there are many good, reliable & reasonably priced AC pumps available without spending the price premium that RE & Abyzz ask.
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clorox
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Thanks Scott, at some point I will have a build thread
The new Ecotech Vectras I think fit nicely in between the German pumps and the Chinese re-branded pumps.
Abyzz 10 year warranty is hard to beat.
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