Acclimation can kill: here's how.

Sk8r

Staff member
RC Mod
A shipped fish or one long in the bag exudes waste and co2 from bodily processes. This amounts to ammonium in the water and co2 in the bag. This is safe, so long as the bag stays closed.

The instant the bag is opened, the co2 escapes. This causes the ph of the water to start shifting. Within 30 minutes, the ammonium in the bag has undergone a chemical change (because of the ph) to deadly ammonia, which may not kill immediately, but will damage organs and cause mysterious death in the tank.

Best procedure is to avoid acclimation entirely: call the shipper and ask the salinity at which they ship. Or ask the store. Pre-set the salinity of the qt to match that. On receipt of the fish, float the bag(s) for 15 minutes to adjust temperature, then one by one, if multiple, open bag, TEST THE WATER with a refractometer to be sure, and if with .002 of a match, put the fish straight across into the qt, because acclimation is a procedure to match salinity, and .002 is an acceptable jump.

If you find a mismatch greater than .002, you must acclimate anyway, but hopefully it won't be too long: start removing water from the bag and adding an equal amount of destination water. The total acclimation must be finished before 30 minutes is up, and 5 minutes sooner is safer than down to the wire.

Understand that a rapid salinity DROP of several .00's is safe for a fish. A rapid salinity RISE is dangerous as in damaging, so that has to be handled by giving his tissues time to adjust. If you have a huge discrepancy to handle due to some massive mix-up, the only thing I can say is that ammonia is absolutely lethal and an iffy salinity jump may not be. But there is one more thing you can do to nix the ammonia and give you more time.

Having a bottle of Prime or Amquel handy, treat the bag water, to bind ammonia as it appears---the precise measurement of this is not critical: a guesstimate is pretty safe. This is something you should always have in the house anyway (in the event you have a dire water emergency and need to convert tapwater asap to something useable to make saltwater.)

Main thing is---avoid acclimation if at all possible, which is the roughest way to introduce a new fish to your system. Kindest is to slip the arriving fish into same-salinity water after a little temperature stabilization.

If you must acclimate, do it within 30 minutes, and have Prime or Amquel at hand. And here is where a refractometer is REAL helpful, so you are not sitting there whacking away at a swing-arm to get the last bubble off the arm to make it read right.
 
Wow this is really good to know. I haven't gotten any fish that have been in bags more than 30 mins. Good to know for the future! Thanks!
 
when i buy fish online...
1. I prepare a acclimation Bucket or tank depending on the size of the fish . I will put about half the amount of water that is in the bag into the container and put some prime in the water . (Asking the seller about there water is usually like asking the weather man will it rain tomorrow its Sketchy at best)

2. I start dripping water from thank they fish are going into qt tank

3. I then pull the floating fish bags out of the QT Tank and put them into the acclimation container water and all.

4. Drip so that it doubles the water in the container about every 15 minutes... Depending on how the fish acts and its color i will continue to remove 1/4 of the water each time it doubles. So over 45 minutes that bag of water ends up being a Gallon or so.. At that point i will put the fish in the qt tank by getting it out with a Container removing as little water as i can... ..

I think using Prime is one of the Most important steps....If the fish looks bad in the bag... Do not worry so much about TEMP Acclimation.... On the ocean a Tropical storm and Drop in seconds and LOWER and raise temps Instantly.. I think temp acclimation is less important as getting the fish out of the bad water... Of Course within Reason....

I have only lost a few fish doing it this way.. Front the local fish store Less then a few miles away . I just float the bags for 5 minutes . open them and Add water from the tank Every 5 minutes for a few times then let them go...
I thank if i fish has been stuck in a bag of nasty water . Just tossing him in totally different water is worse then Slowly Acclimating him/ her back to Quality water...

Just MY opinion is the 3 plus hours online fish sellers tell you is BS ... Something in between is best ..
 
A shipped fish or one long in the bag exudes waste and co2 from bodily processes. This amounts to ammonium in the water and co2 in the bag. This is safe, so long as the bag stays closed.

The instant the bag is opened, the co2 escapes. This causes the ph of the water to start shifting. Within 30 minutes, the ammonium in the bag has undergone a chemical change (because of the ph) to deadly ammonia, which may not kill immediately, but will damage organs and cause mysterious death in the tank.

Best procedure is to avoid acclimation entirely: call the shipper and ask the salinity at which they ship. Or ask the store. Pre-set the salinity of the qt to match that. On receipt of the fish, float the bag(s) for 15 minutes to adjust temperature, then one by one, if multiple, open bag, TEST THE WATER with a refractometer to be sure, and if with .002 of a match, put the fish straight across into the qt, because acclimation is a procedure to match salinity, and .002 is an acceptable jump.

If you find a mismatch greater than .002, you must acclimate anyway, but hopefully it won't be too long: start removing water from the bag and adding an equal amount of destination water. The total acclimation must be finished before 30 minutes is up, and 5 minutes sooner is safer than down to the wire.

Understand that a rapid salinity DROP of several .00's is safe for a fish. A rapid salinity RISE is dangerous as in damaging, so that has to be handled by giving his tissues time to adjust. If you have a huge discrepancy to handle due to some massive mix-up, the only thing I can say is that ammonia is absolutely lethal and an iffy salinity jump may not be. But there is one more thing you can do to nix the ammonia and give you more time.

Having a bottle of Prime or Amquel handy, treat the bag water, to bind ammonia as it appears---the precise measurement of this is not critical: a guesstimate is pretty safe. This is something you should always have in the house anyway (in the event you have a dire water emergency and need to convert tapwater asap to something useable to make saltwater.)

Main thing is---avoid acclimation if at all possible, which is the roughest way to introduce a new fish to your system. Kindest is to slip the arriving fish into same-salinity water after a little temperature stabilization.

If you must acclimate, do it within 30 minutes, and have Prime or Amquel at hand. And here is where a refractometer is REAL helpful, so you are not sitting there whacking away at a swing-arm to get the last bubble off the arm to make it read right.

This +1000.

I have been using this method for every new acquisition for the past 2+ years. I have NEVER lost a fish due to acclimation complications since using this method. Just temperature-acclimate and plop them into QT. It really is that simple.

Most online merchants keep their SG around 1.017 (Diver's Den keeps theirs at 1.025). If in doubt, call the merchant.
 
It's interesting that of all the shippers only Reefcleaners advocates this method. Since switching to temperature acclimation only with a few drops of Prime into the quickly opened bag I have greatly cut down on my shipping mortality with snails
 
I am extremely surprised it is this easy. I have read so many articles about properly acclimating livestock & have never heard this.

Sk8r, what are your thoughts on freshwater dips or medicated dips for new arrivals?

Thanks for the info. I certainly appreciate you experts spreading your knowledge.
 
It's interesting that of all the shippers only Reefcleaners advocates this method. Since switching to temperature acclimation only with a few drops of Prime into the quickly opened bag I have greatly cut down on my shipping mortality with snails

ReefCleaners advocates this method because of the intertidal nature of the species of snails they offer. I suspect that the reason online merchants don't recommend this method is because most people don't QT (unfortunately).
 
While the bags are floating I take a very fine syringe and poke it into the bag water below the water line and take a sample. I then use some tape to seal the hole. While the bags are coming to temp I check the bag water salinity and adjust my QT if necessary. Do all this before opening the bag so you don't have to rush. By poking the bag below the water line, no air gets in the bag.
 
Such a timely post as I received my new McCosker's and filamentous flasher Wrasse's from DD yesterday. The McCosker's seems to be doing just fine, but the Filamentous, well let's just hope he recovers from the shock of transport. Looked DOA, but I stuck with the aforementioned acclimation process and he seems to be perking up. I just hope there was not too much damage done already.

I am also curious why LA/DD would not necessarily advocate this method or at least discuss it as an option for QTers as it makes tons of scientific sense, esp for fishies...
 
I don't do freshwater dips or medicated dips on fish on arrival. They've just been through enough. If they don't get sick in qt, they're probably not sick on arrival. If they do, then treat for what they've actually got.
 
I don't do freshwater dips or medicated dips on fish on arrival. They've just been through enough. If they don't get sick in qt, they're probably not sick on arrival. If they do, then treat for what they've actually got.

You may have mentioned this in the past and I'm sure in another post, but do you routinely do prazipro for your QT fish?
 
No. That's a personal choice, dependent on my sources. But then I tend to buy my fish in a group, get them all in and buy no more fish for years.
 
I thank if i fish has been stuck in a bag of nasty water . Just tossing him in totally different water is worse then Slowly Acclimating him/ her back to Quality water...

Think of it this way, if I sealed you up in a small air tight room that became full of feces and urine before you could be released....would you want me to gradually introduce fresh air in exchange for the bad, or just you the heck out and into good clean healthy air as quick as possible?

In the same way, moving a fish quickly from very low (comparatively) pH, low O2, high CO2 and high ammonia environment and into proper healthy water conditions is far better than lingering in the unhealthy conditions ;)
 
Back
Top