slipknottin
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Strongly doubt it.
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America bombs Great Barrier Reef
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Strongly doubt it.
Things Americans love
Australians
Military
Things Americans don't care that much about
Nature
Objects falling from planes that don't harm anyone
ingtar_shinowa
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The real worry is the constant stream of jetlines jettisoning their sewage adding dangerous chemicals and excess nutrient into the middle of the pacific.
Painted skin
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We have absolute no control of natural occurrence, we do have control over our choices and action. 2 wrong never makes a right.
slipknottin
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Jet exhaust is more of a concern than sewage is
Khemul
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Your point?
Look, I entirely agree that they shouldn't have been there in the first place. And without getting too much into politics, I'm all for the US military not wasting money and resources on the other side of the world with our allies. But the point isn't about whether they should have been there or not. The point is that this is a non-issue. There was no damage done. From the sound of it, it was a textbook situation that went perfectly. The only thing upsetting some people is that there was a beloved reef in the same geographic region. Which isn't even the same thing as saying "nearby". The situation should be praised, not criticized. They could have done the same thing off the coast here (they probably do) and I'd say the same thing. Nothing was hurt and nothing was even at risk of being hurt. There is absolutely nothing to complain about or criticize.
Painted skin
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If you don't understand my simple counter statement to yours statement, then I'm at a loss as I don't know how to down grade and make it simpler so you would understand.
What you're saying is no harm done "this time" no foul? If in fact all truth is told to us and we shouldn't learn from it and make changes? That's pretty narrow minded.
The US military or any military have not been known to always tell us the truth. Cover up and propaganda is part of their practice. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the men and women serving their country. It's the brass and politician that I disagree with.
Khemul
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What I'm saying is that a regulation situation happened and no one got hurt.
You seem to think this was a unique situation.Actually, you didn't even know the situation until it was spelled out for you (yet still somehow formed an opinion). There are regulations for what to do when this happens. Those regulations are exactly what happened here. What is there to learn from and change? That'd imply something went wrong to begin with.
And now we go down the conspiracy road. Because it is the perfect out. Anything you don't want to hear is now lies and cover up.
ingtar_shinowa
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Yes Chicken Little, thats what he is saying. The sky wasn't falling, just a couple pieces of stuff....
Time to take off that tin-foil hat and take a breather.
I typed up about 500+ words in response to some of you but I decided to remove it. No one is going to make another understand why this happened. You're either going to be upset by it or your not. *****ing about it on a forum isn't going to change anything but please, continue the discussion. It's interesting to see the different point of views on the matter.
My opinion - This is a pretty shitty situation but i'm happy that no people were injured.
My opinion - This is a pretty shitty situation but i'm happy that no people were injured.
Painted skin
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You're hanging on to and justifying their action in that immediate situation, there is no question on how they handle that particular situation..
Yourself had agree they shouldn't have been there and if they weren't there in the first then there wouldn't have been any incident nor any risk in question. Yes yes you're going to say it was a "dead bomb, dead bomb" we got that already. If it weren't or next time it wasn't a dead bomb, then what? Just say oops like railway disaster we had in Quebec? What's done is done oh well?? and don't do any adjustment until it too late. Call this situation lucky and a wake up call.
I'm not one those freaks that looks over their shoulder thinking conspiracy and thinking their being watched, but there lots things they don't tell the public. You really thinking there is no conspiracy at all in history, corruption, lies in the government or military then where have you been in a cave?
For my sake and everyone out there after this incident has came to light I really hope that Australian will make a big fuss and somehow force their Gov. to wake up.
Depends on if you are a sensationalist or not I guess.
Science has already shown this global warming is actually the earth getting cooler, so now they call it climate change. Core samples show the earth has gone through several climate swings, and long before man had any input on things.
I'm not saying don't try and prevent what we can. But you still have to use common sense.
Why do they need to test? Is that a real question? Everything you are looking at in the room you are in has been tested. EVERYTHING!
If my backyard was suitable for this type of testing and we came to an agreement over the use of it, then that would be fine with me. Using that island out there for testing was not forced onto the government, they agreed to it.
I was referring to the mining, dredging, and ship damage sanctioned by the government to the reef, not other issues like the rain forest.
At the end of the day, humans are smart enough to overcome the short term (talking in 1000's of years) natural balance of nature. I have little doubt it'll catch up to us faster than we can outrun it at this point.
Painted skin
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LOL,oh please is that your best shot? Resorting name calling like in grade school? So far we've been having a intellectual debate, even though we don't agree at least their comments are intellectual. There's nothing intellectual about yours. So if you want to take stab at me, please try harder.
What if... What if Lincoln wasn't shot? What if Hitler was just a little less egotistical and had his plan come to full light? What if Japan nuked the US instead? What if, what if, what if.
It's always easy to look back and see a way to prevent anything from happening. But it is impossible to move forward with nothing happening.
Will things change? Maybe, probably not though. They will probably agree that the odds of it happening again and or being worse next time are lower than any other action they could think of.
Like Quebec, I'm not sure if they agreed that the engineer didn't set enough hand brakes or not, but you can never get away with out human error. The policy already in place should have prevented the incident.
Just like oil pipeline spills. Everyone jumps on the ban pipeline bandwagon when there is a spill, but it is still the best way to transport it. And with this train incident everyone is calling for more pipelines.
The general public isn't smart enough to comprehend the larger picture, and only read what the media tells them, and they can't see through how the media says it to get to the facts of what is being said.
Khemul
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See, here's the thing. Nothing went wrong. You keep acting like an accident happened. Like this was a mistake that should have been prevented. It was a routine situation. There is nothing to justify.
Whether they should have been there is irrelevant. I do agree they shouldn't have, but more because it is a waste to do military exercises with "allies" who will cry and complain that the US military shouldn't have been there the moment some bad PR arises but are perfectly happy to have its help when things are going well. But isolationism vs imperialism vs globalism is irrelevant here.
Painted skin
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Really? you're using the past as an analogy for " what if"? I gave you more credit than that. Obviously we cannot make a difference to the past. Sure no one got hurt in reef incident great!! It would be pretty arrogant just to dismiss this as like nothing; it was fortunate.
"Like Quebec, I'm not sure if they agreed that the engineer didn't set enough hand brakes or not, but you can never get away with out human error. The policy already in place should have prevented the incident."
Is an good example, like you said "The policy already in place should have prevented the incident.", but they also have made changes and implement new ones and enforce old ones.
What? does it take for someone to die first or big destruction before we decide to make changes? By that time isn't it kinda late...
Preventive measures is always wise. Just like our hobby do we just deal with ich when a fish die and or get ich or do we QT all fish before it goes into the DT which is wiser.
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Khemul
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But, this was the preventative measure. That's what you keep missing. This wasn't a matter of someone making a mistake and coming up with a quick fix.
Bombing run gets cancels, payload still needs to get dropped somewhere. This is all planned out. The payload gets dumped in a safe location. Otherwise you get a crash in the ocean, or on a carrier deck. These regulations exist because of past mistakes.
Bombing run gets cancels, payload still needs to get dropped somewhere. This is all planned out. The payload gets dumped in a safe location. Otherwise you get a crash in the ocean, or on a carrier deck. These regulations exist because of past mistakes.
Acronic
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FYI, sewage from comercial planes is not dumped over the ocean or land for that matter. It is held in a resivoir and removed once the plane is at the gate. Once removed it is disposed of properly.
Besides, the ocean is much more capable of recycling waste than humans ever could be.
Painted skin
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Absolutely not didn't missed that for 1 second, the better preventative measure would be they shouldn't had been there. Play Gi Joe some elsewhere it's that simple, then they wouldn't of had a bad rap from the media and some of the public. Even you agree they shouldn't had been there.
greg1786
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Im at a loss as to why the area that was originally "designated for safe dropping" of these peices of metal, was deemed unsafe AFTER the jets were already en route. Im glad there was little to no damage done and thankful no one was injured or killed, however these 'practice missions' should be thoroughly planned and checked for all safety measures before carried out. I guarantee that the pilots and their jet techs checked, double checked, triple checked, and then checked again to make absolute certain every single nut and bolt on that plane was in safe working order before they took off. So my point is, why not make sure to check, and triple check, to make sure the area in which was designated for safe dropping of these pieces of metal was in fact safe before sending them. Obviously this is a far better situation that the jets crashing in the ocean due to trying to carry these things back to base, but if your spending millions of tax payers dollars to run these test drills, why not spend the million and one dollars to ensure its safe to do it correctly?
Painted skin
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^^^ Good point.
If these piece of metal cans of soup people make it sound like has no destructive power why not just drop it on intended spot? Yes they said it was unsafe for what reason if these are just dummy bomb that had no destructive power. Obviously there's more to the story which we'll probably never know.
If these piece of metal cans of soup people make it sound like has no destructive power why not just drop it on intended spot? Yes they said it was unsafe for what reason if these are just dummy bomb that had no destructive power. Obviously there's more to the story which we'll probably never know.
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