An unforseen fork in the road

Brett

Looks great, thanks for sharing your story!

BTW, I grew up in LB, my parents still live in the same house, down in The Shore....

C Dub
 
The not so quite DIY rock project
(Otherwise known as: How to beat the high cost of Reef Ceramics)

Greetings everyone....

Since it has become readily apparent to me (as I'm sure it has to those of you who have followed along thus far) that this project has fast materialized into the ultimate bass-ackwards way of setting up a tank, I guess it only appropriate that jumping right to the rockwork phase without having a tank present would be the next illogical step in this convoluted progression.

After all, what is a tank really but a big empty box designed to hold water? Water that I'm nowhere near ready for. So who needs a tank you say? Certainly not I.

However, given that I was a little burned out with all the plumbing I had been hacking together, I decided it was time for a little detour into the realm of artistic expression. It was time to rev up those creative juices.

Originally I had been looking at the Reef Ceramics like those offered by Captive Oceans, but after adding up the amount that would be needed for a tank of this size, as well as factoring in some excess pieces to play around with, it was just too cost prohibitive for my liking. It does look nice from the pics I looked at, but not so nice that I was willing to drop a couple grand to fill up a 7 foot tank.

So I started looking at the threads on DIY rocks. I especially liked the pieces that were being made with just cement and rock salt, as I thought they were some of the best I had seen to date. However, the biggest downfall appeared to be not just the time and labor that would be involved, but the mess and the space required to pull it all off. I just didn’t have the time to experiment until I figured out how to do it right. That, and I also wasn’t particularly eager to deal with the lengthy curing involved in the Aragcrete process.

But then I start thinking back to the current tank and some dry base rock that I had obtained from Capt. Jer over at ReeferRocks www.reeferrocks.com in Florida. I had been pretty happy with my original order several years back and remembering how I had cemented them together using various shapes and sizes until I had obtained a reef structure to my liking, I began to wonder if it might be possible to create something resembling the Reef Ceramics using Capt. Jer's rock, and a bit of artistic license.

I placed a call and quickly found that things had changed a bit since we had last chatted. He was now offering a premium or handpicked rock for modest up-charge. This was basically pieces that he hand selected for maximum porosity, size and shapes of interest. The second thing that had changed was the addition of smaller "frag" rocks that were sized for the attachment of corals. I decided on 150lbs of premium rock (requested to be grapefruit size or smaller) and 50 lbs of his frag rock.
 
Here are the pics Capt. Jer sent for my approval prior to prepping and shipping my order.

Note the waterfront property off his wood deck. The good Captain said he even gets the occasional manatee cruising by to say hello from time to time.

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Here it is spread out on top of my workbench .....errrr, I mean the tank stand.

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Some closeups

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And this is what I was able to come up with after 5 or 6 hours of work and a dozen or so sticks of AquaMend from the local hardware store.

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I think I did an OK job capturing the look of the Reef Ceramic’s product. Especially since it appears to be about 1/3 the cost. Additionally, being able to control the shapes I can not only sculpt some really interesting structures, but control how dense I make them as well. Specifically, the caves in the front on the large reef section run thru the center and out the rear allowing the current to pass right on thru. Basically, the whole bottom half of the structure is one giant cave.

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This standalone section is a combination of a piece I picked out of the local LFS’ live rock bin, (soaked in a bleach solution for 2 weeks) and the base rock pieces. The upper portion is the LFS piece and was basically epoxied in place and then reinforced with a little Portland cement.

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Here is another standalone that I plan to have up near the overflow. I’ll probably seed it with some star polyps or something similar because I think it will look really sweet covered in a bunch of green polyps swaying back and forth in the current.

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I definitely need to make more pieces, which means probably a good 15-20 more hours before I'm finished. Overall I'd have to say I'm pretty happy with how it's turning out and I think I'm well on my way to accomplishing the goal I had when I stated out.

Surprisingly, this is one of the easier projects I've undertaken. It's not only incredibly simple but relatively cost effective as well. The end result is definitely going to be worth the effort and it appears I will only be limited by my imagination.

Happy reefing

Brett
 
Brett,

Your artistic work is excellent.

How much live rock do you plan to add? I used about 1/4 live and 3/4 reeferrocks, and to be honest wished up until a couple months ago that I used more live rock. Now that my tank is about 1 year old, everything is finally looking good.

Matt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7883236#post7883236 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by auSS/Tin
I love the rock. What is Aqua mend that you got at the hardware store?

Bill

Bill, the AquaMend is pretty much identical to the 2-part epoxy putty that some of the LFS carry, but at a greatly reduced price. I know Home Depot carries it, but I'm not sure about Lowes. It's over in the paint department with the epoxies, glues, etc. I think I paid 3.99 a package for the stuff.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7883264#post7883264 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by matt & pam
Brett,

Your artistic work is excellent.

How much live rock do you plan to add? I used about 1/4 live and 3/4 reeferrocks, and to be honest wished up until a couple months ago that I used more live rock. Now that my tank is about 1 year old, everything is finally looking good.

Matt

Thanks Matt.

I don't know what the final ratio will be but it will most likely be small. The basic reef structure from my existing tank probably won't make the move, but all the loose pieces more than likely will. Some of those came from the tank before and are more than a decade old now.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7883521#post7883521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moonpod
Brett, you're CRAZY! If I ever want to redo my tank, I'm taking you on as a consultant.....

You know Chuck, we might be able to work something out. I'll provide engineering services, and you can pay me in equipment hand-me-downs :)

Brett
 
Brett, nice work on the rock :thumbsup: I spent a few days playing with building my pillars, definitely worth the work. I like how you did it by gluing the rock together, I used plastic dowels to hold mine together.

I just hope you can afford the power to run the tank in the end, this months bill is making a nano look all that much better ;)
 
Ken, believe it or not, it's all held together with either putty or cement. I just stick a blob of whatever where I need it, place a rock, and then smooth the stuff that oozes out. After I get a good base going I carefully turn it over and reinforce from the inside. After that dries I flip right sided up again and build another layer. The trick is to work the stuff into the cracks so it 'grabs' hold. That, and to try different pieces of rock over and over until you find one that fits just right. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle but on a totally different level.

As for the power I just got my reality check last week. How about $567.00? Granted, that was with the AC set to 78 and pretty much running 24/7 on a 1600 sqft apartment.

I'm hoping that if I use a couple Eheims or a Sequence Snapper for my return, run 4 Vortecs for my main circulation, and get a little creative with my lighting I might be ok. IceCap's new T5 hood is looking really good, I'm considering going all overdriven T5. My goal is to keep it under 1000watts of light so I'm trying to put some thought into how I lay out the rockwork.

Brett
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7887483#post7887483 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Putawaywet
As for the power I just got my reality check last week. How about $567.00? Granted, that was with the AC set to 78 and pretty much running 24/7 on a 1600 sqft apartment.
Mine, $662.00 this month :eek: and my house isn't much bigger than your place!

The cost of Solar is looking much better as the summer progresses.
 
RGibson

Well... the total useage = 1870kwh

From mid June thru mid July...

My combined SCE & DWP baseline allocation is 326.4kwh
My combined useage was 1870kwh or 58.44kwh per day for an average daily cost of 15.61/day

That includes my tank (approx 800w lighting and 165w pump(s), my AC (set to 78), 3 or so hours of TV per day, 3-4 loads of laundry a week (gas dryer), and basic lighting and meal cooking for 2 adults who both work fulltime jobs.

In comparison my fiance's closing bill for the same period was:

Combined SCE & DWP baseline allocation is 326.4kwh
Combined usage was 260kwh or 8.13kwh per day for an average daily cost of .97/day.

However, during that period my fiance was about 95% moved into my place. Other than her fridge, some floor fans in the late evening when she was there cleaning and packing and a few lights to see by, she was an absentee resident.

So, the only conclusion I can come up with is if you live in Southern California and you're trying to come in anywhere near your baseline, you need to find a friend who will let you hangout at their place and then use your place for storage.

Brett
 
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ScottK

What pics were you trying to look at? The one's from the beginning of my old EcoWheel thread? If so, then they won't open due to a change that was made in RC software several years back.


I'm coming up to a couple weeks of vacation and whille I have a full plate with all the work on the apartment, I'm saving a few hours each evening to work on the tank. I'll be sure to add lot's of pics.

Brett
 
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