Anyone Thinking of Dumping LEDS and going back to Halides

As far as I can see, going back to halides is simply throwing in the towel and admitting you don't understand lighting. OK, some of us do find this easier and that is not meant to be negative. Just putting people in the appropriate camps. Both methods work without a doubt. LEDs are more complex, but this complexity offers the aquarist new vistas. Not all fixtures are really suitable for marines. The choice is excruciating! Just screwing in an appropriate bulb is an easy option, expecially for those who do not wish to deepen their knowledge of spectrum and optics. I know little about computers, but I use one daily, as most of us do. Then there are those that live in a virtual world. Different camps.

In a couple of years LEDs will be reduced to plug and play (that actually works), just like everthing else. This coming year will see many innovations, yielded from customer feedback, technical advancements and economy. The more we understand about PAR vs spectrum, the more we realise how limited our knowledge about lighting is/was.

Statistically, about 90% of aquariums sold end up in the cellar in less than a year. Says something about seperating the wheat from the chaff. It is not an easy-peasy or cheap hobby. One should congratulate themselves at having found the appropriate path. Oh, gotta run, my sunset effect is coming on..........

One day LED tech will meet or even eclipse MH and T5 in SPS color and growth. Today is not the day. I still use LEDs over my tank, but I won't use them as a primary source of light unless mixed with T5's. I still have yet to see an LED tank with equitable coloration to an MH or T5 tank. When that happens AND it also becomes the norm, I'll be interested in the tech again.
 
After seeing Vivid's 800 gallon experiment over time, It's easy to see not only does the MH side have better color, the MH side has far outpaced the LED side in growth. The LED side looks good, but the MH side definitely looks better. That "good" is not ok for me when I know the potential color of corals. I want to look at corals and be wowed by the color, not just be satisfied.

Do you have a link to this?
 
perhaps, or perhaps many people understand what works and with all of the other things we don't fully understand, like the biology, the chemistry and how biodiversity plays into it, it does make sense that people will eliminate as many variables as possible. Lighting is very important, it makes sense for the masses to eliminate that variable and go with what has a long history of working, predictably and easily.

Though i am in favor of the collective knowledge with led's to continue to grow, i have neither the time or desire to add on another "experiment" and i am fairly sure i am not alone in this.

For many years it has been said that led's are figured out and now is the time to switch, yet this thread alone clearly shows that to not be the case for everyone. Imo it will be figured out when there is not a "new and improved must have fixture boasting the perfect spectrum" on the market every six months. Until that happens, i am perfectly content to continue to use what worked 10 years ago and is still unmatched today. Lighting as a variable is fine for some people and silly to others who are trying to eliminate variables.

+1
 
MedRed,
Thanks for posting that video. In all fairness, I really see very little to no difference between the two lights. Colors looked better in some metal halide pics, then better in some led pics.
And the wattage difference is astounding. And the heat difference........ is really astounding I am sure with that many lights! And bear in mind he will be changing out all those metal halide bulbs....$$$$$$$$$$
I know both work and work well. However, leds will still see improvements. Metal halides...................I highly doubt it!
And Thanks again for posting. That was a excellent comparison in terms of colors. Growth not so good of a comparison.
 
Any NEW update to the update; that video is old?

I think they stopped doing updates at some point.

MedRed,
Thanks for posting that video. In all fairness, I really see very little to no difference between the two lights. Colors looked better in some metal halide pics, then better in some led pics.
And the wattage difference is astounding. And the heat difference........ is really astounding I am sure with that many lights! And bear in mind he will be changing out all those metal halide bulbs....$$$$$$$$$$
I know both work and work well. However, leds will still see improvements. Metal halides...................I highly doubt it!
And Thanks again for posting. That was a excellent comparison in terms of colors. Growth not so good of a comparison.

Video is over two years old. Today, it's pretty evident that the MH side has better coloration and growth.
 
+1 to the above post. I tried for years to make LEDs grow my corals and failed. Since going to T5 and now MH I have had exponential growth and coloration. For all the time and $$ I throw at the hobby, it is a no-brainer for me to stick with the MH setup.

+1 - Agree. My experience as well.
 
I just watched the Video, I honestly can say if I didnt know the tank was lit by two different light sources it would be impossible to tell there were two different sources. As as far as growth goes he said dont compare the two since the frags didnt start out the same size. If I remember correctly also, LEDs lights dont lend themselfs to photograhy as well as MH do.
 
And the wattage difference is astounding. And the heat difference........ is really astounding I am sure with that many lights! And bear in mind he will be changing out all those metal halide bulbs....$$$$$$$$$$

Mesh, you remind me of this guy...

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"why you like bulb changes!!!!!????"

:lol:
 
The instant the video started I knew the left was the MH side.
MH are king, period.
With that said I run LEDs on my DT, due to cost savings and convenience.
 
+2 for that. I think a big mistake many people make when switching to leds is that they are trying to replace for example 2 x 250W MH + 4 x 80W T5 with lets say 200W leds. This must fail. But this mistake was introduced a little bit by industry, everywhere you see an led you can read this: this 50W fixture can replace 250W halides. That is not possible today. I switched to DIY LED 3 months ago replacing such a MH + T5 combination with 660 Watts LED and its still not the end yet, but it works. I say when replaced with adequate power, LED's are working very well. Here is mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7i0LkUfnf4
 
I meant +2 for this...
MedRed,
Thanks for posting that video. In all fairness, I really see very little to no difference between the two lights. Colors looked better in some metal halide pics, then better in some led pics.
And the wattage difference is astounding. And the heat difference........ is really astounding I am sure with that many lights! And bear in mind he will be changing out all those metal halide bulbs....$$$$$$$$$$
I know both work and work well. However, leds will still see improvements. Metal halides...................I highly doubt it!
And Thanks again for posting. That was a excellent comparison in terms of colors. Growth not so good of a comparison.
 
d2mini,
Gee thanks!! That "thing" is really ugly! Anyway you slice it, metal halides will need to be changed out. As well as T5's.
Like I mentioned before, at the huge Euro expo...............not a one metal halide set up on display...........................
 
I just watched the Video, I honestly can say if I didnt know the tank was lit by two different light sources it would be impossible to tell there were two different sources. As as far as growth goes he said dont compare the two since the frags didnt start out the same size. If I remember correctly also, LEDs lights dont lend themselfs to photograhy as well as MH do.

It's easy to tell which is which in person. The video doesn't show the differences well. When this experiment started, I was in the store every weekend and was noting the changes. Lately I hadn't been in nearly as much. Now the difference in growth rates is really telling.

The funny thing is, I advocated the Radeons to the owner in the first place... :lol:

d2mini,
Gee thanks!! That "thing" is really ugly! Anyway you slice it, metal halides will need to be changed out. As well as T5's.
Like I mentioned before, at the huge Euro expo...............not a one metal halide set up on display...........................

The new retail market for MH died as soon as the LED craze took off. Lots of fixtures disappeared from the market and their has been no new innovations or fixtures using MH at all. T5 is hanging on, but it took a major hit itself. The LED train is full steam ahead and hopefully that means the technology will be sorted out shortly. In the mean time, there are a lot of cheap, used MH fixtures to be had.
 
d2mini,
Gee thanks!! That "thing" is really ugly! Anyway you slice it, metal halides will need to be changed out. As well as T5's.
Like I mentioned before, at the huge Euro expo...............not a one metal halide set up on display...........................

LOL, just messing with you. ;)
I just picture you with that expression screaming about heat and bulb changes.

If I was a vendor, I would definitely be bringing LED with me.
All you're worried about at a show is displaying your coral which are already grown/fragged and colored up. The blue LEDs will make them pop for sure.
And the ease of transport/setup is a no brainer.
 
MedRed,
Thanks for posting that video. In all fairness, I really see very little to no difference between the two lights. Colors looked better in some metal halide pics, then better in some led pics.
And the wattage difference is astounding. And the heat difference........ is really astounding I am sure with that many lights! And bear in mind he will be changing out all those metal halide bulbs....$$$$$$$$$$
I know both work and work well. However, leds will still see improvements. Metal halides...................I highly doubt it!
And Thanks again for posting. That was a excellent comparison in terms of colors. Growth not so good of a comparison.

hi, for some reason my post disappeared...
+1 for this, i was not able to see a difference between the two sides, too... i think many people who changed to led made one big mistake, they often try to replace their 1000 watt halides/t5 combo with 300 watts led and then switch back totally disappointed. this was introduced by the industry a bit, because on nearly every 100 watt led you can read the claim, that you can replace a 250w mh with it. i really doubt that this realistic today.
i switched to DIY LED 3 months ago and never want to go back. I replaced 800 watts of MH, T5, LEd mix with 660 watts pure led and its still not the end yet. this fixture works for me and my corals didnt noticed a difference so far.
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7i0LkUfnf4
 
d2mini,
Gee thanks!! That "thing" is really ugly! Anyway you slice it, metal halides will need to be changed out. As well as T5's.
Like I mentioned before, at the huge Euro expo...............not a one metal halide set up on display...........................

No you don't have to change out bulbs every year... You only need to change out entire fixtures when the one you are using is old, outdated and needs to be exchanged with the latest and greatest $1000 LED pendant. How many people do you know are using the same LED setup they put in place 5 yrs ago?
As far as show displays go, ask the vendors what they grew the corals with. I will be surprised if more than 20% say LED.
 
No you don't have to change out bulbs every year... You only need to change out entire fixtures when the one you are using is old, outdated and needs to be exchanged with the latest and greatest $1000 LED pendant. How many people do you know are using the same LED setup they put in place 5 yrs ago?
As far as show displays go, ask the vendors what they grew the corals with. I will be surprised if more than 20% say LED.
The good manufacturers out there have realized that diodes are still changing at a rapid pace and have manufactured their lights so you can swap out modules.

Lots of people buy new cars every three years too, even though they don't need to. That does not make cars a 'bad technology'.

There are no losers in this discussion. Both forms of lighting work just fine.
 
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